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Ground Zero Tolerance: America's Culture War

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Plato.179 Avatar
Plato.179
Posts: 28
Posted: 02.12.11, 11:13 PM
My comment on the first amendment is: not to speak to insult but to inform of your opinion as objectively correct though it is your subjective answer. Look at Behner, he is very good at this most times, as well, as most politicians. Sometimes they get out of hand in their deceptive speech - not giving a direct answer. But you can not force a person to speak truth.

So the first amendment can not bring forth the truth, it simple gives all, fools and geniuses, the same opportunity to say something. This should be self-evident but it is not due to our constant competition to appear fair and balanced.

If we speak truth to each other, it gives us a better foundation to obtain something that we can agree on, share, and trust.
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Plato.179
Posts: 28
Posted: 02.12.11, 10:58 PM
It's interesting that Zead goes back to the constitution as a document of respect, not just him but quite a few people do this to show how tolerant they are and that all should be. I say, ask a black man or woman if that document was a deliverer of tolerance. It was a commercial document that was made such that all who they considered persons could get along doing commerce. Don't forget, voting was based on property ownership.

Sure, we did change all of this but think of the issues raised during the presidential election between Bush and Gore. People who had offended society, even after they had paid their dept still could not vote. In order to get along we have to give up our personal beliefs as absolute.
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heybd
Posts: 60
Posted: 01.27.11, 03:12 PM
To kikl: How can you compare burning a koran and building a mosque? Whose sensitivities are offended by a mosque being built? I don't think people need to be so thin skinned about radical bullies burning copies of their holy books, I mean they're just books and there are plenty of copies, but I can't see the parallel. Those muslims in New York were just as much victims of 9/11 as anyone else who lived there. The WTC was in their neighborhood, too. How can you say they were any less affected by the attack?

As for the imam trying to change the narrative, I can't say I agree with you. But even if it were true, he'd hardly be alone in this country in playing the victim to win political sympathy (but that's a completely different subject).
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kikl
Posts: 20
Posted: 01.26.11, 08:23 AM
I think the sensitivity issue is a quite interesting display of double standards. Everybody has the right to burn his own books. There is no doubt that this is everone's personal liberty. But, when a pastor wants to burn a quran, the liberal left starts to cry out. But, when it comes to building a mosque at ground zero, sensitivity is a non-issue.

The imam wants to change the narrative. He wants muslims to be the perpetual victims, even of 9/11. So he is trying to play on sensitivities. His response is grotesque. Muslims perpetrated this crime in the name of Islam. That is the fact!

High jacked the religion? That is plain wrong: Read "The Al qaida reader" by Raimung Ibrahim. It is a selection of theological treatises that justify terrorism using the quran and hadith.
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kikl
Posts: 20
Posted: 01.26.11, 07:43 AM
Park 51 Centre? I thought is was supposed to be called "Cordoba House"? Wasn't is supposed to be a mosque? Now it is called a "community centre"?

What happened to Imam Rauf and his wife? Didn't they want to implement Shariah in the USA? That includes beating disobedient women, stoning adulterers, executing apostates, silencing and killing blasphemers,....

I think everybody should be concerned about a place of worship, in which an unconstitutional ideology is preached day in day out.

Since these people are followers of an antidemocratic and unconstitutional ideology, I don't think they have the right to build a mosque in the USA, no matter where, but in particular not at ground zero!
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bharat14
Posts: 13
Posted: 01.12.11, 01:37 PM
Why present only the liberal view? Complete waste of time ! Can you tell me what was the original name for this project? and what made them change it? did this start as a mosque and now this is a cultural centre? what do you know about islam? and its preachings?
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