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Martin Rees: Life's Future in the Cosmos

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Tommy Jefferson Avatar
Tommy Jefferson
Posts: 24
Posted: 05.05.11, 08:51 AM
There can be no aliens. Extra-terrestrials would indicate that the platitudes of Moses, Mohamed, and Jesus are irrelevant old relics. That would destroy the religious hierarchies of both the east and west that are necessary to maintain the top-down control structure of the elites, and necessary to generate the "churn" of war and economic gyrations they use to extract labor and natural resources from populations.

Our benevolent governments would be unworthy of reverence and taxes if a superior force arrived on the scene.

ET's would also be expected to have a solution for the Climate Change grift that millions of scientific and intellectual State piggies at thousands of agencies and universities depend on for sustenance.
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socratus
Posts: 83
Posted: 04.21.11, 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClimateCriminal
More science please!
It is impossible to speak about the future in the
Cosmos without to understand what Entropy is.
=.
Entropy, Vacuum, Quantum Gravity,
Superconductivity and Star formation.
=================...
1.
Henry Poincare named the conception of "entropy "
as a " surprising abstract ".
2.
Lev Landau (Dau) wrote:
" A question about the physical basis of the
entropy monotonous increasing law remains open ".
3.
One physicist said :" The entropy is only a shadow of energy.
4.
The mathematician John von Neumann said to
"the father of information theory" Claude Shannon:
" Name it "entropy" then in discussions
you will receive solid advantage, because
nobody knows, what "entropy" basically is ".
==========..
1.
Between 1850 - 1865 Rudolf Clausius published a paper
in which he called " The energy conservation law" as
" The first law of thermodynamics". But in our nature the
heat always flows from the higher temperature to the
lower one and never back. In our everyday life we don't see
the heat itself rises from cold to hot. So, it seemed that
in thermodynamics " The energy conservation law"
wasn’t kept, this law was broken. But Clausius had another
opinion. He thought: I know people believe that this process is
irreversible, but I am sure that " The energy conservation law"
is universal law and it must be correct also for thermodynamic
process. So, how can I save this law ?
Probably, in the thermodynamic process there is something
that we don't know. Maybe, there is some degradation
of the total energy in the system which never disappears .
Perhaps, there is some non-useful heat, some unseen process ,
some unknown dark energy , some another form of potential
energy/heat itself which can transform heat from the cold
body to the warm one. I will call this conception as " entropy"
and it will mean that changes of entropy (dS) can be calculated
for reversible process and may be defined as the ratio of the
quantity of energy taken up (dQ) to the thermodynamic
temperature (T), i.e. dS= dQ /T.
And because I don't know how this process goes I won't call
it as a law but as " The second principle of thermodynamics "
which says that " the entropy of an isolated system always
increases ". Another version: " No process is possible
in which the only result is the transfer of heat from a hotter
to a colder body. It is possible some reversible process which
is unknown now ."
2.
Between 1870 - 1880 Ludwig Boltzmann said:
" Clausius is right. But I can add more to his entropy conception.
First.
According to Classic physics when an isolated thermodynamic
system comes to a thermal equilibrium all particles stop their
moving. From one hand it is correct. But the system cannot be
at thermal equilibrium (in the state of thermo death) all the time.
The situation in the system must change.
Therefore I say that at the thermal equilibrium the entropy
(some unknown dark/potential energy ) of the system will
reach maximum and as a result , the thermal equilibrium
of the system will change.
Second.
I don't know how exactly the thermal equilibrium of the system
changes. But I can give probabilistic / statistical interpretation
of this changing process. I can write " The second principle of
thermodynamics" by a formula: S= k log W and this formula
says:" the entropy ( heat) of the system is the collective result of
mechanical motion and friction of all the particles (k)."
I will call it as " The second law of Thermodynamics."
3
In 1900 Max Planck said:
Clausius and Boltzmann are both right.
But all my life I worked almost exclusively on problems
related to thermodynamics. And I am sure that the " The second
law of Thermodynamics" , concerning entropy, is deeper and it
says more than is generally accepted. I am sure the Boltzmann's
probabilistic /statistical version of "The second law of
Thermodynamics " is not completed, is not final.
Please, look at the graph of the radiation curves of the " black body".
They are very similar to those curves which are calculated
by Maxwell for the velocity (i.e. energy) distribution of gas
molecules in a closed container. Could this black body radiation
problem be studied in the same way as Maxwell's ideal gas....
...electromagnetic waves ? This problem of connection between
radiation of black body and Maxwell's Electrodynamics theory
doesn't give me peace. Maxwell's theory can tell everything
about the emission, absorption and propagation of the radiation,
but nothing about the energy distribution at thermal
equilibrium. What to do? How to be ?
After trying every possible approach using traditional
classical applications of the laws of thermodynamics
I was desperated. And I was forced to consider that the
relation between entropy, Boltzmann's probability version
and Maxwell's theory is possible to solve by suggestion ,
that energy is radiated and absorbed with discrete
individual quanta particle ( E= hf). So, now I must write
" The second law of Thermodynamics " by formula:
hf = k log W.
But if I look to the Clausius inequality I see that entropy
is energy divided per temperature.
So the formula hf = klogW is hf = kT logW I think.
I was so surprised and skeptical of such interpretation
the entropy that I spent years trying to explain this result
in another , less revolutionary way. It was difficult for me
to accept this formula and to understand it essence .
It was hard for me to believe in my own discovery.
==================..
My conclusion.
How to understand this formula?
Which process does formula (hf = kT logW ) describe ?
1.
In 1877 Boltzmann suggested that the energy/mass state
of a physical system (of ideal gas ) could be discreted.
This idea was written with formula: R/N=k. It means:
there are particles with energy/mass state (k) in physical
system of ideal gas . They don’t move, they are in the
state of rest.
2.
In 1900 Planck followed Boltzmann's method of dividing.
Planck suggested that energy was radiated and absorbed
with discrete "energy elements" - " quantum of energy"-
- " Planck's action constant"- (h) . This fact means:
electron produces heat, setting in mechanical motion and
friction all particles. This fact is described with Planck's
formula: h*f = kTlogW.
3.
In which reference frame does this process take place?
In thermodynamical reference frame of ideal gas and
black body (M. Laue called this model as Kirchhoff’s vacuum).
Now it is considered that these models are abstract ones which
do not exist in nature. On my opinion these models explain
the situation in the real Vacuum (T=0K) very well.
4.
For my opinion the formula (h*f = kT logW ) says:
a)
The reason of " entropy" , the source of thermal equilibrium's
fluctuation , the source of Vacuum fluctuation is an action of
the particle /electron, which has energy: E = h*f.
b)
The process of Vacuum fluctuation depends on collective
motions of all particles (k) and will be successful if enough
statistical quantity of Boltzmann's particles ( kT logW)
surround the electron.
c)
Which process does the formula (h*f = kT logW ) say about ?
This formula describes the possibility of realization of
macro state from micro state. This formula explains
the conditions of gravitation,
the beginning conditions of star formation.
h*f = kT logW.
h*f > kT logW.
h*f < kT.
Once again.
The electron changed the temperature of the surface in local area.
Now this local area has Debye temperature: Q(d)= h*f (max) / k.
In this space a grain of gravity theory is hidden.
At first the kT logW is mass of Helium II. (!!!)
The temperature is going from T=0K to 2.18 K (−271 °C)
And then the temperature is going from T=2.18 K to T= 4.2 K,
(Helium I).
And then the protons are created. . . . . etc.

The scheme of the process of quantum gravity is:
E=h*f --> He II --> He I --> . . . . - - > H . . . – - >
Plasma reaction... --> Thermonuclear reactions ...-->......etc.
( P. Kapitza , L. Landau , E.L. Andronikashvili theories).
(Superconductivity, superfluidity.)
d)
Thanks to Entropy the homogeneous Vacuum is broken.
Thanks to Entropy the micro process changes into
macro process.
Thanks to Entropy the stars formation takes place.
Thanks to Entropy " the ultraviolet catastrophe" is absent.
Thanks to Entropy our Milky Way doesn't change into radiation.
Thanks to Entropy the process of creating elements takes place.
Thanks to Entropy the process of evolution is going.
e)
One physicist said :" The entropy is only a shadow of energy“.
Maybe now somebody can understand why entropy is a shadow.
And maybe now somebody will understand why
" The Law of conservation and transformation of energy"
is also correct for thermodynamic system.
f)
Why is " The second law of Thermodynamics"
so universal? Because it is based on
" The Law of conservation and transformation of energy"
And this law is not the simple accounting solution of debit and credit.
The sense of this law is dipper and it says more than is usually accepted.
=====================.
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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Anthony69 Avatar
Anthony69
Posts: 13
Posted: 11.06.10, 02:38 PM
anyone trying to argue, for or against a God vs. mulitivese or even evolution are basically arrogant single minded morons... IF... you go on the premise that a God would be all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, all encompassing, eternal and all wise... in other words, everything we are NOT... then how can we even "second guess" anything associated with such a "cosmic entity"... things like time, if HE/SHE/IT/THEY are eternal then there is not time as we have conjured it up in our minuscule minds... if HE/SHE/IT/THEY are all powerful then they just might be inter-dimensional entities... and to be so arrogant that someone/thing could be so powerful and only have created US on this tiny spec in the whole universe of this one dimension that we can realize, is completely absurd. For me to put either actions, limitations, or decision making attributes on such a cosmic entity is the height of being a FOOL... for me to believe in a Supreme Entity/Entities does not mean I have to, or even have the right to, justify "how, what, when, or why" IT/They may have done something in the past (ie, evolution vs. creationism), now (ie, what God wish us to do or not do) or in the future(ie, what is the goal of mankind vs. the animal kingdom) God does not care about what you think of HIM... get a life and see the universe for what it truly IS... it is more than we can ever comprehend... so in some sense, it's a waste of money and resources to consider leaving this planet when we should be using all of our resources figure out how to stop killing each other, to feed the hungry... and figure out where we'll all live when the population reaches 20 billion... and how we'll pay for it. And think about it... IF and when a rocket-ship ever leaves earth to colonize another world, because our world is dying... 99.999999% of us (and I don't mean the ones that will die before that happens) will not be on that/those flights as we won't be among the elite powerful who have the money and influence. WE are paying now for the rich elite to escape into space and leave the rest of us behind...
MartinC Avatar
MartinC
Posts: 5
Posted: 11.05.10, 06:37 PM
Just wanted to share idea I've had for a while which I've never heard from anyone else. It's another point which adds to the difficulty us of finding intelligent life or of it finding us. If we think about the fact that it took homo sapiens about 200,000 years or so to be able to travel in space and we've been capable of it for about 40 years , thats less than the blink of an eye compared to the 13.7 billion years that the universe has been around. My point is that it means that our travel to any distant planet would not only be a tiny sampling of the number of suitable planets out there but also a tiny sampling of those planets in TIME. I always say to people who believe that aliens have visited us that maybe aliens have been here but that was 2 billion years ago, they didnt find much interesting here then and they are now long since extinct. Or maybe aliens visit here 10 million years from now but earth was stripped clean by a giant asteroid 2 million years before they got here and they just fly on by. Same the other way round. Seems like it would be a huge coincidence if 2 civilisations could happen to exist in the same time period and also bump into each other. Also, no one seems to mention that the selection pressures which lead to intelligence must to be extremely compicated and extraordinary, afterall only one species out of all that have existed on earth has had this kind of intelligence whereas the eye has evolved at least 40 times independantly already. Even if life turns out to be common, I don't think curious, toolmaking mathematicians will be.
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ClimateCriminal
Posts: 17
Posted: 09.15.10, 10:52 AM
More science please!
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FORA.tv Staff
Posts: 5
Posted: 09.15.10, 03:31 AM
cant get enough SPAAACCCEEEEE
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TOG01
Posts: 1
Posted: 09.11.10, 08:52 AM
It's not the empirical evidence that point to the supernatural, it's your brain that needs an intent behind the unexplained. It's called teleological thinking and evidence is pointing to that it's wired in the human brain. For me the popularity of the many concepts of parralel universes comes from our need to imagine that the archetypes of our cultures must exist somewhere when we do not find any evidence of their existence in our own universe.
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Posted: 09.10.10, 10:53 AM
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jwpierce
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Posted: 09.09.10, 10:01 PM
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leroy1
Posts: 2
Posted: 09.09.10, 10:53 AM
On his talk about the multiverse and multi-bigbang ideas:

I was glad to see that he gave warnings about the highly speculative nature of these ideas. I've heard too many atheists tout these ideas as reason to not have the need for a beginner of the universe. Based on my current understanding of what is scientifically known about our universe all the empirical evidence points to the need for a cause that is outside our space dimensions and laws of physics; in other words supernatural.
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