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John Shelby Spong: Facing the Issues of Mortality

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50crowley Avatar
50crowley
Posts: 11
Posted: 11.14.11, 05:12 PM
Costaire, it appears you seek intellectual authority through complexity; however, you clearly lack that ability and have settled for complication instead. Unfortunately, in your attempt to confuse others, it appears you have confused yourself, and as a result much of your meaning is lost.

"I do apologize, but my integrity forbids it." - A paradoxical statement.
"...attempt the acquisition of greater intellectual capacity." How exactly does one acquire greater intellectual capacity.
"...retreat into the fantasy realms of discrimination, cultural cleansing, and egocentric raids on humanity..." On the contrary, discrimination (the act of consideration on the basis of type as opposed to merit) and cultural cleansing are not fantasies, but realities. Furthermore, neither of these actions are states of being or places, and thus, cannot be considered "realms". And how exactly does one participate in an "egocentric raid on humanity" anyway?

You have demonstrated remarkable proficiency with the thesaurus, but with the wealth of knowledge and resources readily available on the internet in the modern age, that is a small feat at best. Bdoolan was on to something when he suggested you "Try using simpler language." If I were you, I would heed his advice, and maybe, just maybe, you'll actually understand what the f*ck you're talking about.
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theknopfknows
Posts: 276
Posted: 01.11.11, 09:58 PM
Thank you costaire, for that refreshing vocabulary, I enjoy it.
as for the lecture, its all good from the perspective of social knowledge.
55 years of religious safety, where death is ignored, and a life after death only negates the present moment. Death can have a learnt meaning, read Tibetan book of the dead,by W.Y.Evans-Wentz, they also speak positively of a conscious death and like everything else training death can be trained for. The Kabbalah from 10 to 11 century very good death understanding. Christianity Islam useless when understanding death, My parents are Nazi camp survivors, they saw, smelled, ate death. Itīs all a matter of education, "Death to death for thou are not so, death to death I say". John Donne.
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Costaire
Posts: 4
Posted: 08.03.10, 04:03 AM
I could not reduce myself to the entrails of such intellectual dishonesty. I do apologize but my integrity forbids it.

I agree with your conclusion that Spong makes no attempt or appearance to "answer" anything. I think that pretty much sums up my point nicely of which I'm in full agreement. Thank you for your honesty.

Wherein circumstances require that I use simpler language I must try, if by doing so you attempt the acquisition of a greater intellectual capacity.

Insofar as aspiring to question, provocation and thoughtfulness. I can admire such aspirations but further question their respective relevance to the dubious claims made by those who invoke the words of eternity and immortality. Entertaining as they might be, one wonders how important the provocations of thoughtful questions are when they are focused upon the lingering nonsense which soon follows close behind. Not to mention the proliferation of dissociative mental retardation that is attained once these amusements turn to delusional convictions. Convictions which inevitably lead to a disdainful retreat into the fantasy realms of discrimination, cultural cleansing, and egocentric raids on humanity that are wielded by those who claim (without evidence of any kind) to have divine authority contrary to what reality would otherwise dictate.


"We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us." - Shakespeare
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bdoolan +
Posts: 4
Posted: 07.18.10, 10:23 AM
What arrant nonsense from Costaire! Try using simpler language. Spong makes no attempt to be the "answer" to anything. At all times he is questioning, provocative and thoughtful - three characteristics to which you might aspire!
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Costaire
Posts: 4
Posted: 07.17.10, 03:50 AM
Existential insecurity and fear if you ask me, but if you are so inclined as to be moved by such a presentation such as this, surely you will not.

How curiously authoritarian it must be to speak on matters that cannot be known. How inclusively peculiar it must be to listen to these self proclaimed authorities (on matters empirically unknown) and to delude yourself into thinking that this guy is actually on to something.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many charlatans sell these self indulging delusions to the public. Not to say that Spong is a charlatan, however if he was he is probably unaware of the fact. More accurately however I cannot help but think that he is closer to the majority of indoctrinated zombie-phones resurrected by the inspiring nonsense of Christian theology and propagandized American proliferation of undead or overmedicated (which may or may not be mutually exclusive). In the case of this illustrious primate, it's amazing how these people have the ability to negotiate and solicit their sham antiquities so easily to the public. More alarming is the price that these false consolations go for. No less than the inescapable price of reason and reality. Not to mention the ever present contradiction that what is being sold, is being sold in connection with "truth." Quite frankly I think derivatives have a better shot at being authentic.


-Costaire
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