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Mark Steyn: The End of the World as We Know

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Ganesha Avatar
Ganesha
Posts: 23
Posted: 05.19.10, 07:19 PM
KMA, Islam means peace is the biggest lie perpetrated on the mankind. Islam means submission, submission to the will of Allah who is nothing but a figment of Muhammad's imagination. If Islam means peace, why there is so much violence in Muslim countries? In Pakistan, Shias and Sunnis are engaged in mutual slaughter, hundreds of innocents are killed every month by rival sects.

Muslim Arab Sudanese have committed genocide against Black African Muslims of Darfur, killing hundreds of thousands. Is Islam were to mean peace, Muslims would be the most peaceful people in the world, but we know that Muslims are the most violent.
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Ganesha
Posts: 23
Posted: 05.19.10, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KMA
Islam means Peace through the submission to the well of God the creator of man & the Universe.So man becomes in harmony with universe which obeys the Creator.
Islam is the religion of all messenger of God from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ismail, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, to Muhammad.
So Muslims could be from the America, Brazil, China, Russia, Malaysia, Bahrain, Sudan, UK, & Germany.
The first ethnic group to take the banner if Islam was Arab, then followed by Persian & Berber, and then followed by central Asian Turks till 1900.
Now is the time for the European & North American to take the banner and bring back another Golden age of Islam for Humanity.
Remember the time where Baghdad & Cairo was the center of knowledge & scientific discoveries.
Remember the time when Jews find safe haven from Europeans Christians persecution by coming to the Muslims world.
All people from different religion, ethnicity, and colour lived side by side in peace & harmony.
The real issue is, if the superior most advanced nations of the west turn to Islam, then how much good they will bring to the world & how much change will happen to them ( No alcohol, No sex before marriage, NO pollution to the environment...etc) More kinder & gentler Western Civilization.
The west is more qualified to understand the teaching of Islam than the present Muslims of the Asia, Africa, & Central Asia.
If the west accepts Islam then it is capable of fixing the ills of the Muslim world.
The Great values of the west from freedom, liberty, and dignity of the humankind are all Islamic values which present Muslims countries do not practice or respect. The Old Muslims have failed Islam, so the Western Muslims will succeed in bring the true face of Islam.
Islam is a way of life, system of values, & guide lines to the relations with God, one self, other human being, other creations, & the rest of the universe.
In some aspect ( Human rights , political freedoms, rule of the law, free thinking, justice, & equal opportunity) the best Islamic countries are Canada, US, UK, Australia, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Norway, France, Spain, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, New Zealand & Finally Malaysia.
These countries practice the spirit of Islamic teaching more than the rest of the world, even though their populations are not mostly Muslims.
So what happened to Muslims? What golden age are you talking about? What did Muslims have contributed to the world? The fact is that wherever Islam went it inflicted barbarity and ignorance. Muslims destroyed great civilizations of ancient Egypt, Persia, Iraq etc.

Cairo and Baghdad were great centers of knowledge - so what happened? Where is that knowledge? What great scientific achievements were accomplished by Muslims? Are there any great books written by Muslims? Any great writers in last one thousand years? In last 1000 years, Muslims have not contributed anything in the fields of science, technology, arts and literature.

If human rights and democracy are Islamic values, why are Muslim countries not democratic? Why there is no freedom of religion in Muslim countries?

Old Muslims have not failed Islam - it is Islam which has failed. It is due to Islam that Muslim majority countries are the most backward. Islam is akin to Fascism. Islam divides the world in believers and kaffirs. Islam sows discord.

The countries which you listed are not Islamic. That's the reason there is freedom of religion, human rights and democracy. Islam will ruin all those countries. I think you should reject Islam and join us in fighting the evil of Islam.
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Equality
Posts: 1
Posted: 05.19.10, 06:34 PM
Regardless of your desire to associate Islam as a religion of peace, there is a very strong presence in the world today pressing the (pay attention to my words) regression of free speech. "Moderate, peaceful" Muslims are attempting to introduce actual legislation in some countries to ban offensive speech against their religion. Riddle me this, how is that not forcing your opinions upon others, and attempting to silence others opinions? Tuesday of this week, Muslims attacked the Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks during a presentation he was giving because it offended them. Might want to add that firebombs were found in his household, and this took place in a non-Muslim country. I do not think Mark's comments were against Islam as you would love to attempt to convince people, but against the very present and ever-increasing threat to free speech that is wrapped in an Islamic flag.
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browser111
Posts: 16
Posted: 05.19.10, 05:09 PM
Has this site been hacked ? Can't what the full program. Stops at into.

KMA you should read some real history rather than just browse Islamic propaganda sites. The Sword of the Prophet (The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam) by Serge Trifkovic (preface by former Canadian ambassador) is a good read. The idea that Islamic empires were tolerant of Jews and Christians is a myth as is the idea that Baghdad and Cairo were centers for discovery. They were centers for learning for a brief time but it was mostly the learning of other absorbed cultures. Few new ideas came from the Islamic empires. And freedom ? ... you've got to be kidding. In a culture that even today kills apostates there is too much of an intellectual chill to develop new ideas.
kenny Avatar
kenny
Posts: 35
Posted: 05.19.10, 03:03 PM
I think not. Comedy Central censored South Park because the West does not have the will to defend itself. Muslim violence exists because they know their enemy and how to defeat it. Colonel Ghadaffi told us more than 30 years ago that Europe would be taken without the need to fire guns.....tho thats not to say guns wouldn't be fired anyway. He was right, and still many are oblivious to it. Islam is scoffing at the ease with which their objectives are met, not just by their efforts but by our suicide.
Jann Avatar
Jann
Posts: 31
Posted: 05.19.10, 08:32 AM
Mr. Steyn, but what makes you think that a free western society wants self-satisfied and narrow-minded citizen like you.
KMA Avatar
KMA
Posts: 5
Posted: 05.19.10, 07:13 AM
I have one question & a comment.
What do Mark Steyn feel about the white American who embraced Islam, but kept their identities & culture?

Mark Steyn is an alarmist who is using the tactics of fear to cause a second Holocaust but this time the Muslims will be the Victims.

Also, he forgot that the crusades, Inquisitions, & forced conversation are acts committed by Christians of the Dark ages.

He equates all Muslims with the extremists.
He should remember that Nazi, KKK, and Fascists were all Europeans Christians not Muslims.
KMA Avatar
KMA
Posts: 5
Posted: 05.19.10, 04:04 AM
Islam means Peace through the submission to the well of God the creator of man & the Universe.So man becomes in harmony with universe which obeys the Creator.
Islam is the religion of all messenger of God from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ismail, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, to Muhammad.
So Muslims could be from the America, Brazil, China, Russia, Malaysia, Bahrain, Sudan, UK, & Germany.
The first ethnic group to take the banner if Islam was Arab, then followed by Persian & Berber, and then followed by central Asian Turks till 1900.
Now is the time for the European & North American to take the banner and bring back another Golden age of Islam for Humanity.
Remember the time where Baghdad & Cairo was the center of knowledge & scientific discoveries.
Remember the time when Jews find safe haven from Europeans Christians persecution by coming to the Muslims world.
All people from different religion, ethnicity, and colour lived side by side in peace & harmony.
The real issue is, if the superior most advanced nations of the west turn to Islam, then how much good they will bring to the world & how much change will happen to them ( No alcohol, No sex before marriage, NO pollution to the environment...etc) More kinder & gentler Western Civilization.
The west is more qualified to understand the teaching of Islam than the present Muslims of the Asia, Africa, & Central Asia.
If the west accepts Islam then it is capable of fixing the ills of the Muslim world.
The Great values of the west from freedom, liberty, and dignity of the humankind are all Islamic values which present Muslims countries do not practice or respect. The Old Muslims have failed Islam, so the Western Muslims will succeed in bring the true face of Islam.
Islam is a way of life, system of values, & guide lines to the relations with God, one self, other human being, other creations, & the rest of the universe.
In some aspect ( Human rights , political freedoms, rule of the law, free thinking, justice, & equal opportunity) the best Islamic countries are Canada, US, UK, Australia, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Norway, France, Spain, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, New Zealand & Finally Malaysia.
These countries practice the spirit of Islamic teaching more than the rest of the world, even though their populations are not mostly Muslims.
sabo Avatar
sabo
Posts: 1
Posted: 05.19.10, 01:18 AM
I disagree, south park, or to be more specific, comedy central censored the character of the prophet muhammad soley because of the threat of violence by muslims...
scamper Avatar
scamper
Posts: 40
Posted: 05.18.10, 10:11 PM
As a Muslim Libertarian (is that an oxy moron ), I cringe and cheer at Mark Steyn.
I agree with pretty much everything he says about the Western World and its problems.
Yet he focuses way too much on the Muslim threat... instead of the failings of the Western world.

The problem is not Muslims arriving, but 'western' people forgetting who they are.
That is where the focus should be. You could stop all Muslim immigration, and South Park would still sensor things because our culture is about political correctness.
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