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Mark Steyn: The End of the World as We Know

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Vanraj
Posted: 05.28.10, 08:11 PM
Allah has enjoined Muslims to lie and cheat and engage in all kind of deception to defend the fraud called Islam. That is when they cannot win by violence...yet. From my extensive engagement with Muslims I have prepared the following points that sane and sensible people will find educational. Enjoy. Insist that violent passages in the Quran only apply to long-ago historical incidents (like the battle of Badr), but then also insist that the Quran is a book of guidance "for all times and all people." Insist that Muhammad 's actions can't be judged by today's more humane human rights standards, while at the same time, insist that he is the perfect "Model for all Mankind" today. Insist that Islam is a "religion of peace", while at the same time, brag about the great military victories of Muhammad, Abu Bakr, Umar, Khalid bin Al-Waheed and Saladin. Insist that Islam is "not a missionary religion", while at the same time publish endless articles about "how to do dawah" on hundreds of dawah websites. (dawah means invitation to Islam) Insist that "truth stands from error" and that Islam can stand on its own merits as the "one true religion", while laboring endlessly to squash all criticism and discussion of Islam. Insist that the laws in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan are unIslamic while trying to get them implemented in the west, India and other kafir societies. Insist that women achieve TRUE liberation through Islam! Never mind those pesky ideas about real equality with men in all areas of life, men and women are so different, and shari'ah "realistically" acknowledges these differences, unlike those evil man-made law systems that suggest otherwise! Insist how "liberating" it is for women to wear a piece of cloth on their heads. Insist that Jihad has nothing to do with violence. It’s simply struggling with pen, tongue etc. at the same time looking for atomic bomb to use in Kafir countries. Insist that most of the scientific inventions were foretold in Quran but no one ever invented anything out of Quran. Insist that Muslims should enjoy all human rights and make infinite number of mosques in western countries but ban Kafirs from Mecca and Medina. Preaching of any other religion is not allowed in any Islamic country . Insist that women in Islam are privileged in an unparalleled manner and their equality with men have never been achieved in history like it was done in Islam, yet use every trick in the book to show that they lack the wisdom and fair judgment of men and consequently, men must reserve the right to BEAT them if they go astray, of course as a "last resort". Insist that Islam is against slavery and then demonstrate how humanely Muhammad treated HIS SLAVES as proof of it. Insist that Islam "Is a complete way of life", not just a religion. But when others criticize things like the burka and honor killings, say that it's the fault of "culture", not Islam. Insist that the Quran is the word of god, is protected against corruption, and is unchanged since Muhammad's death, despite the existence of multiple versions and histories attesting to changes that were made Insist in demanding for more rights and perks from kafirs in kafir countries via freedom of religion, while condoning the killing of the kafirs in Islamic countries and preventing them from following their religion. Insist that Islam liberated women when no Islamic society treats them nicely. Insist that Islam will one day dominate the world when Muslim countries are sinking deeper in poverty and soon will face massive starvation. Insist that Muhammad was a perfect role model and a Mercy of God among men and hide the fact that he lied, raped, tortured, killed, robbed and was a pedophile Insist that Qur'an cannot be translated into any other tongue except Arabic, the language of God, when those who say this themselves do not know how to speak Arabic" Insist that Islam is a "way of life." but never mind that this "way of life" is the way of life of a bunch of savage desert dwellers of the 7th century. Insist to subject oneself in full surrender to Allah. Pray five times a day, fast for one month (sleep during day and feasts at night), read the Qur'an every day, expend years learning the "arts" of defecating, copulating and cleanliness and other useless rituals and dream of conquering the infidels and taking their money to compensate the consequences of one's laziness and unproductiveness. Insist that terrorist attacks in the name of Islam are not perpetrated by Muslims, but the countries who are the victims of the terrorist attacks deserve it because of their foreign policy towards Islamic countries. Insist on the evils of the Western culture and the virtues of Islam but at the same time do everything possible to immigrate to the West in order to escape oppression of the Islamic countries. Insist that Muslims are persecuted in Israel, India, Philippines, Thailand, etc but continue expanding Islamic terrorism around the world Insist that Islam is a logical religion and everyone with pure motives will become a Muslim while forgetting that their own ancestors were forced to accept Islam and many were killed for resisting Insist that only Islam (Quran and Sahih Hadiths) is the Absolute Truth and that every other religious book is corrupted and unreliable, but at the same time try to 'prove' Islam by referring to the same "corrupted" sources that they decry. Insist that some of the Sahih ('reliable') Hadiths are actually not reliable at all but at the same time not recognizing the problems this poses for the claim that Sharia is the only valid legal system, as the Sharia laws are based for a big part on those Sahih Hadith collections. Insist that Islam has no superstitions while there are prescribed prayers and rituals to combat black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, evil eyes, stone throwing jinns etc Insist that kissing a black stone, walking several times around the kaba, throwing stones at a pillar and using prayer-beads has nothing to do with superstition. Insist that homosexuality is illegal in Islam and execute the homosexuals but Insist pedophilia i.e. sex with boys is not homosexuality, practice it and hope to have "pearly boys" in Allah's paradise. For all information about Islam go to www.faithfreedom.org
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Vanraj
Posted: 05.28.10, 07:55 PM
What is the QURAN ? Q uestionable U tterings of a R abid A rab N utcase The Quran is full of good and original stuff. The trouble is that what is good there is not orginal and what is original is not good at all.
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sabrumea
Posted: 05.28.10, 10:14 AM
guys .. please, read this book http://books.google.com.my/books?id=...rif2100&f=true believe me it worths the reading.. probably many of you would find answers to your questions or arguments... with kind regards
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Ascertain_The_Truth
Posted: 05.28.10, 07:05 AM
A-Islam was given to mankind in the world to free us from every form of slavery and oppression, to free us to have our life for our G-d Who created us. To have the honorable life and the good life that G d created us for. That is why Al-Islam came. Q. 22.40; Check people to protect churches Mosque "(They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right (for no cause) except that they say "Our Lord is Allah." Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another there would surely have been pulled down monasteries churches synagogues and mosques in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid His (cause); for verily Allah is Full of Strength Exalted in Might (Able to enforce His Will)." And as I said it came not only come to liberate Muslims or to liberate those who would be called Muslims but it came to liberate all people who were denied religious freedom. Muhammed (pbuh) said to protect the places of worship of other people from those who would profane those places, that's what Muhammed (pbuh) taught. So there people who had savages and ignorant people they did not care about the sanctity of those places. But Muhammed (pbuh) obligated his followers that if they saw such savages or such ungodly people threatening or profaning the sacred places of worship of other people, the Muslims were supposed to defend those places. And now we have gone crazy we want to hurt churches we want to see the churches die and crumble up. Some of us got a thing with Jews we can't live our own Religion without wanting to see all Jews dead, pitiful. If G-d would gave me the power to start killing those who are wrong in Religion, I'd have to start right where I am and then with Jews and Christians after I get through you all. And I am speaking about the whole Muslim world, not just this audience here, this audience here you're in pretty good shape, I'm talking about the Islamic world. I'd have to start slaying, killing right in the Islamic world first. Today, learned Muslim authors of Islamic publications are discussing Al-Islam as a universal message for promoting human progress, social and economic justice, etc. One such publication is titled the Minaret of Freedom. I became acquainted with them maybe ten years or more ago, I was so happy to see educated Muslims in America embracing the idea of freedom and calling Muslims attention to the great idea of freedom. Leaders in Al-Islam they fear to use language that the West uses when that language is really their own language sometimes. But they fear to use it because they are afraid that using it will cause them to be seen as friends of the West. Isn't that is a bad situation to be in, you can't even speak your own language for fear that someone is going to think you are the friend of your enemy. That is ridiculous. Why don't you be a friend to those who think like you? Why don't you be their friend, why don't you be a friend of those who want what you want? And then join them and they will help you fight their own people who are against that. See Allah (swt), G-d, the Creator of all of us He will never help us if we are selfish and not standing upon truth and justice. If we are standing upon hurt and bitterness, He's not going to help us, if we are not standing on truth and justice at the same time. Its ok, you are supposed to register, you are supposed to dislike hurt but you are not supposed to stand upon hurt. 'Oh My position is that you did me wrong!" No, my position is that wrong is wrong, whether done to me or anybody else. So I am standing on the principle, not on the pain, not on the hurt to me, I am standing on the principle. A man can fight much longer fighting for principle, than he can fighting for hurt. After a while, you are not be hurting so much, you'll stop fighting. But there is need to continue to fight for the principle, because there are others hurting. Now here is the difference between what Al-Islam wants for society and what America wants for society. In principle, America and Al-Islam want the same thing for man, in principle. But in practice, they are different, America seems to put the emphasis and light on freedom, more so than on justice. And the result is that the society is turned on to freedom, but not necessarily turned on to justice. And my freedom disrespect your freedom, and my freedom may clashes with your freedom. So the society suffers, because we are going after freedom but have lost the connection for freedom with justice. Freedom and justice are born together and freedom and justice and are to live together always. You are to never separate justice from freedom. In Al-Islam, justice is willing to sacrifice some freedom for a freedom or for a genuine freedom down the road. But freedom in Islam is never willing to sacrifice any part of justice. It is not justice that you punish the victims to recover from the wrong or the injuries of the guilty, I know some of you are following what I'm saying. Q.6.l64; None can carry burden of another "Say: "Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)?" Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is toward Allah: He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed. " Hebrews 9.26; Remove sin by sacrifice himself "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." No that's why in Al Islam, we say: No bearer of a burden should bear the burden of another. Now I am not going to be your scapegoat, and I don't care if it is in the Bible, I am not going to be your scapegoat. You get some person that's guilty, you take the right goat out there and whip that right goat, slay that right goat. I am not the goat that did the wrong, don't use me. A lamb for sacrifice, you get one of them that did you some wrong man, I'm a lamb that won't be your sacrifice. Find the guilty lamb lets sacrifice that one. I know the other side of the story, make the innocent pay the price for the guilty. See if this was true Islamic society of justice, freedom and equality, we would not have so many jails. Al-Islam would not tolerate this big population of convicts, no indeed. Something is wrong with a democracy that has such a large population of convicts. So don't think that our democracies are the same, don't think that because we believe in the same things in principle that we are the same. We are not the same, Islamic justice is not the same as American democracy. This democracy will slay many innocent people and souls, will lose many families to destruction, in the name of freedom and democracy. This society tells Satan "you have as much freedom as the Pope of Rome. Now if he can't handle you then later for him? No, this is wrong, I don't know where they borrowed it from, I think they borrowed it from hell. Revelations 1.18; Keys to heaven, hell "I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." I read in the language of the West the Christians that they received the key to hell and heaven. Now I know what a righteous man can do with the key to heaven; he can help more souls get in there, but what in the world he need a key to hell for? We don't want to open the doors of hell to get any body; let you go in there, to break that door down yourself, you have to go there on your own, I'm not going to help you get to hell. And I'm certainly not going to open the door for the demons to come out of hell and come up here where we are. No righteous man would do that, open the door of hell to let demons come out to mess up our lives? Q.4.76; Fight schemes of satan "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan." There is something wrong with a democracy that permits such an idea. I know you're hearing me so that should tell you brothers and sisters, believe me we have many, many comrades in arms in the Church and in the Synagogue. Don't think that I'm speaking on my own or just as a Muslim. No we have many brothers and sisters who stand on what I am telling you right now in the Churches and in the Synagogues. And we are free, too, as citizens of this country and we are going to shape the future of this country. And we are not going to be satisfied with Satan getting the same respect that the righteous people get. In Al-Islam we are told to fight the schemes of Satan. And if this is one of his schemes, and it is, we are obligated as Muslims to fight that scheme. All Christians don't believe in this way of life to have satan on the loose to do whatever he wants or pleases to take as many down as he wants to, no. We have an obligation, the strong have an obligation to protect the weak from things that are harmful and satan is harmful. So the strong have an obligation to the weak to protect the weak from satan, yes we do. The wise are to protect the foolish, the strong are to protect the weak, the healthy are to protect the sick, this is true Religion. This is Islam and true Religion, this is an obligation on us. Some will say "oh those people are dumb and their misery is their own problem, we know what could be done to turn them around or bring them around but we can't do that. If we do that, we'll be going against their commitment to let Satan have his Way", no. They are not ready to fight those who greed for power, no they don't want to be drug addicts; they are not going to be drug addicts. They don't want to be alcoholics; they are not going to be alcoholics. But if they see a chance to make big money on alcoholism, on drugs they will not turn down that big money for a principle, to uphold a principle, no. They then will justify it saying: "Well, they have all the help they need, they know it is wrong, so they go and buy drugs, use drugs, they know its wrong, they should suffer their own actions or their own deeds." No that's not human, the human being is a creature of intelligence and goodness. We are to appeal to your goodness we are to appeal your intelligence. And a human being can be deceived in his heart and can be deceived in his mind.
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Ganesha
Posted: 05.27.10, 07:09 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by Ascertain_The_Truth In the presidency of the United States, we need a man like Muhamamd the Prophet, peace be on him, to fulfill the promise of America. America has made a very fine and great promise of justice, freedom and equal opportunity to all citizens. That's a great promise. But in order to realize that kind of promise you have to be willing to look at wrong in South Africa the same way you look at-wrong in other parts of the world. You must look at wrong in the black community just as you would in the white community and vice versa. You have to be just as sensitive to the need of one citizen as to the other: not only in domestic quarters, but also in international quarters. Only then will you be right in your heart and be able to defend the great idea of American democracy. Most American citizens are not aware that our country has not defended what it believes in: not even at home, unless it was forced to do so. And even then, it did it deceitfully for the most part. The international world is waiting on our country to defend its idea of democracy in the international world. The leaders of our country have allowed themselves to become partners of people committed to an idea that is in direct opposition to the great idea of American democracy. They quickly do this for more material acquisition and dominance over the mind and spirit of man, globally. They will do every kind of devilish thing. So America needs a man like Muhammad, the Prophet? What about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Sudan, any Muslim country - don't they need a leader like Muhammad? What Muhammad would have done? Muslims have been following the example of Muhammad for last 1400 years but they are the most backward people in the world - so what happened? What happened to the Quranic guidance? Saudi Arabia is ruled by men like Muhammad, and the Sharia is it's constitution, but it is the most repressive society even by the backward standards of Islam. Women and non-Muslims have no rights in Saudi Arabia. You want to drag down America to the lowest Islamic level. First show us what a man like Muhammad would do in one of Islamic paradises before you talk about Muhammad.
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Ganesha
Posted: 05.27.10, 06:54 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by ahmedaf Me as a Muslim living in today's world i think that Steyn is really worried and irritated about something ( whether its going to happen or not) thats not going to be the main problem our world will be facing in the coming decades, i believe poverty, global warming and scarcity of drinking water will be the main huge problems we all will be facing not just Europe.. financial crisis is hitting all Europe, big countries are about to announce their bankruptcy which is affecting the whole world, demonstrations everywhere and you imagine if you can what comes with chaos.. I really wish your fellow westerners have used our Islamic economical system instead of the capitalism and the banking system which they came up with to put the wealth of the whole world in the hands of a few people and let the rest of the world fighting over the left overs or starve to death.. And i really wish to see you working so hard and at the end you dont get paid your minimum wage to support your family so lets see what you're gonna do or talk about then whether in a European country or Arab country, and you're talking about Islam invading Europe! I want to attach a pic of a dead kid to see your first reaction although i can imagine what it would be " is he Christian or a lil bastard?" .. wake the f** up man.. What is Islamic economical system (IES)? Muslims have not been able to solve the problems of poverty, ignorance and backwardness with the IES. First you have to demonstrate that your system is workable in Muslim countries before you want the West to adopt. Most of people in Muslim countries (with the exception of oil rich countries) are very poor and uneducated. All your technology comes from the West. Pakistan and Indonesia are very backward - so what happened to IES?
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Ganesha
Posted: 05.27.10, 06:42 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by dincbee Ganesha,you are a total idiot.Ibnu Qayyum,the greatest chemist ,Al-Jabbar who founded algebra as conveniently rephrased by the west and many more.Do your own research instead of glorifying the west's later generations who had acquired their knowledge as a result of Muslim conquests of the west. The Quran has all the sciences the world is still discovering. Truth hurts. Only 2 names, big deal! But they were not Muslim but pre-Islamic Arab scientists. They acquired their knowledge because they came in contact with Greeks and Indians. May be few Muslim scientists wrote few books here and there, but nobody seems to know. In any case that happened more than 1000 years ago, so what happened to Muslims in last 1000 years? Instead of progressing they regressed - why? Let me give you the answer - due to Islam. The facts are all around you. Any modern invention by a Muslims scientist in last 1000 years? Only 6 Muslims (1.2 billion population - 1 prize for every 200 million) have won the Nobel Prize, while 126 Jews (12 million population - 1 prize for every 100 thousand) have won the Nobel. Jews have won 2000 times more prizes for population ratio than Muslims. Absolutely amazing! I like to know the science in the Quran - I am willing to learn. Sun sets in muddy waters? Or semen comes from man's spine? Any medical achievement? Please!
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Ganesha
Posted: 05.27.10, 06:19 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by dincbee Ganesha,you are just the kind of person that Steyn was talking about, ignorant and naive. Instead of dealing with the issues I have raised about Muslims and Islam, you are calling me ignorant. Why don't you deal with each of my points and show me where I am wrong, enlighten me please. Just few questions: Is there freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Are Christians allowed to build churches in Turkey? Are Christians allowed to celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia? Are non-Muslims equal citizens in any Muslim country? Why a woman cannot be a judge in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia? Why women are compelled to wear hideous garments made of black polyester in 100 degree heat? Why a woman who has been raped must produce 4 male Muslims as witnesses to support her testimony? Why the testimony of a Muslims woman and non-Muslim man, in a legal court is worth half as much as that of a Muslim man in every Muslim country? When confronted with facts about Islam and Muslims, Muslims will accuse us of ignorance etc. I am used to it. But you have a chance to educate me.
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mwurzinger
Posted: 05.27.10, 03:32 PM
I shall refer to the video; I haven't read the book (yet). Generally speaking, the decay of a civilisation occurs across a range of sectors, and Mark Steyn has touched on some of them. A lessening of confidence brought about by the watering down of identity; a diminishing drive for improvement supported by a decreasing respect for formal education; a breakdown in communication as language becomes ever more amorphous; lack of discipline caused by disappearing frameworks; and existing complexity cannot be mastered any longer. These are the symptoms of decay. The vacuum is filled by aspiring newcomers. Several fit the bill, but for the West Islam becomes an internal matter because of our open-ended immigration policies. Add the differing birth rates and our ground becomes their home.
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ahmedaf
Posted: 05.27.10, 10:16 AM
Me as a Muslim living in today's world i think that Steyn is really worried and irritated about something ( whether its going to happen or not) thats not going to be the main problem our world will be facing in the coming decades, i believe poverty, global warming and scarcity of drinking water will be the main huge problems we all will be facing not just Europe.. financial crisis is hitting all Europe, big countries are about to announce their bankruptcy which is affecting the whole world, demonstrations everywhere and you imagine if you can what comes with chaos.. I really wish your fellow westerners have used our Islamic economical system instead of the capitalism and the banking system which they came up with to put the wealth of the whole world in the hands of a few people and let the rest of the world fighting over the left overs or starve to death.. And i really wish to see you working so hard and at the end you dont get paid your minimum wage to support your family so lets see what you're gonna do or talk about then whether in a European country or Arab country, and you're talking about Islam invading Europe! I want to attach a pic of a dead kid to see your first reaction although i can imagine what it would be " is he Christian or a lil bastard?" .. wake the f** up man..
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