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Big Bang 2.0 in Switzerland: Int'l Collaboration at CERN

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jamiehardy12 Avatar
jamiehardy12
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Posted: 05.08.12, 05:03 AM
So the need to corral these superannuated schoolboys and force outside public review on them as they ratchet up the power of colliders to ever increasing levels remains, even if we get away with it this time. Tech Follow
AFL Avatar
AFL
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Posted: 10.08.10, 08:17 PM
Periergaia, there was/is indeed no special complaint from Gaia this year about CERN's LHC startup, and no evidence anybody has offered that anything untoward has happened so far in the wake of the LHC operation at higher energy levels. But, in some cases we wouldn't really have any data yet eg miniBlackHoles created and having dropped to the center of the Earth, now chewing away at our fundamentals from the inside out, we cant say for sure nothing radically threatening has happened. And given that the highest energy levels have not yet been reached, the potential for catastrophe this time around is still ahead of us. Yes, given the usual amount of human luck ie the same amount by which we survived Trinity everything will be fine, but we are plunging into the unknown and no one knows what the risk really is. All we know is that reputable physicists have written unrefuted theoretical models of dire dangers and CERN instead of responding to the need to review the situation and take all possible safety measures have used only propaganda and false refutations. So the need to corral these superannuated schoolboys and force outside public review on them as they ratchet up the power of colliders to ever increasing levels remains, even if we get away with it this time. Either that, or a theory which can predict the outcome of climbing each rung of the ladder, which has long been lacking. We are dropping the Earth into a black hole, metaphorically. Lets hope it doesn't turn out to be real. But that's all we have at the moment. No review and no safety measures of any kind.
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Periergeia
Posts: 142
Posted: 05.28.10, 09:15 PM
AFL: When LHC is up and running, you will see that none of your fears were substantiated. I wonder if you will show up here and declare that you were wrong and then apologize? Probably not.

As for the volcanic activity and earthquakes... there is no measurable correlation. As you can see here

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...ear/graphs.php

there was nothing special about earthquakes in 2009/2010. And the volcanic eruption in Iceland was only recognized by people because it disrupted their travel plans. When the same thing happens in Indonesia (and it does ever couple of years), nobody cares, not even when it's a major disaster for the locals.
thepian Avatar
thepian
Posts: 11
Posted: 05.03.10, 10:05 AM
A load of management speak, zzzz

Unless you are a politician or manager, who cares how much resource/people/money/potential/scope is involved

Talk about results please
AFL Avatar
AFL
Posts: 5
Posted: 04.19.10, 12:51 AM
Much more interesting would be a clip answering some of the critics who see that CERN's safety arguments for the LHC do not answer high level theoretical papers by respectable people such as Rainer Plaga, or even the young genius Luis Sancho, which show that CERN has no idea what will happen when the LHC revs up to maximum and unprecedented power, and there is a distinct possibility that total disaster may result from several different theoretical angles. Given that there is continual change in understanding of particle physics - which the LHC is designed to advance even further - it would be reassuring form CERN to answer critics instead of trying to evade them, which is really its current policy. With volcanic activity and earthquakes multiplying since the April 1 startup, precisely what the critics named as possibilities harboring worse possibilities to follow, it is time for CERN to undergo outside review until it answers some of the concerns. See scienceguardian.com for some coverage of this beyond the passive media acceptance of anything that CERN claims.
thepian Avatar
thepian
Posts: 11
Posted: 04.14.10, 07:43 AM
That's a useless video. Who cares about people padding each others on the back talking about fluff.

Let's learn about the technical things, or hear insights from people like Brian Cox.

Is this some misguided marketing initiative at CERN ?
SlackerKeith Avatar
SlackerKeith
Posts: 1
Posted: 04.13.10, 01:14 PM
Umm, I'm confused. Is this supposed to be news? I've seen hundreds of articles about the LHC and CERN.
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