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aBurmeseMuslim Avatar
aBurmeseMuslim
Posts: 38
Posted: 06.18.10, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by polkadot
“Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam.” - Ali Gom’a (grand mufti of Egypt, the highest Muslim religious authority in the world, Al Ahram, April 7, 2008) source: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8066

“Muslims who share the same goals as Osama bin Laden but are pursuing them through non-violent means are celebrated by gullible Westerners as moderates.” - Robert Spencer

"It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.” There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists – moderate, they are not." - Ali Sina

"The real intentions of Euroislam must be concealed from the general public." - Tariq Ramadan
Sure, quote the idiots that supports your bias and prejudice. What else is new?
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aBurmeseMuslim
Posts: 38
Posted: 06.18.10, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PaoloPaolo49
What does it matter? A great deal...Of course it matters. Democracy and Liberty offer a possible brighter future more than Totalitarianism does. Consider it type of lesser of evils at the very least...IF you consider democracy as a less than ideal form of society...a proposition I do not subscribe to.
You lack the intellectual capacity to understand the quote by Gandhi.
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polkadot
Posts: 3
Posted: 06.09.10, 01:25 PM
“Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam.” - Ali Gom’a (grand mufti of Egypt, the highest Muslim religious authority in the world, Al Ahram, April 7, 2008) source: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8066

“Muslims who share the same goals as Osama bin Laden but are pursuing them through non-violent means are celebrated by gullible Westerners as moderates.” - Robert Spencer

"It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.” There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists – moderate, they are not." - Ali Sina

"The real intentions of Euroislam must be concealed from the general public." - Tariq Ramadan
LucyDaily Avatar
LucyDaily
Posts: 10
Posted: 06.02.10, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ascertain_The_Truth
No, you are incorrect. Al-Islam is a way of Life. It's a complete way of life that invite us to Wholeness and Completeness thereby obtaining Peace. Whenever the life is fragmented leaving out important essentials that makes for a whole life there will be no peace.

All of the important aspects of human life developed and were born out of the spiritual and social expressions from the soul and it found its first expression in the family life.

Al-Islam don't believe in separating man's spiritual life from his rational life, or separation the material interest from the spiritual aspirations.
So exactly how many thousands of years are we supposed to wait for this "PEACE"?
How many millions must die before this wholeness is achieved? If something doesn't work after a year or two, it is a failure, if it hasn't worked after 1000 years it is an EPIC Failure!

Religion was invented to explain the natural world to people who's brains were not yet developed enough to understand the rising of the tides, or the setting of the sun. It was not done in malice, it was done in ignorance.

When the Jews invented their religion it was done out of malice. It was a plot concocted by a group of roughly 80 rich old men, over the course of 26 years to convince enough people build an army to slaughter, rape, pillage and enslave their neighbors. They did not have enough people in their own country to build a large enough army to destroy the Canaanites, they needed help, the countries around them had no motivation to help them, so they invented a single god to rally behind. Pagans had too many gods, and no one god held enough influence to rally a large enough army behind. Embolden by their success in whipping up a religious frenzy to defeat their enemies, they used their religion to control other groups, mainly women. But the originators of the hoax held too much power and they didn't want to share with the rest of the tribe. They couldn't claim any royal bloodline but they wanted to keep all the power and money in their own families, so they made all kinds of rules about who could be counted as a real Jew. The poor Jews knew that they did not stand a chance of marrying into these families and getting any of that mother's bloodline that would allow them in on the spoils, so they revolted and invented a "savior" for the poor. There were LOTS of poor, so they made for a HUGE army and overwhelmed the Jews with their sheer numbers. It was gang mentality at its most dangerous. The Romans at first thought to squash the filthy stinking rabble by enacting laws to keep the smelly thugs out of the cities on market day, so the Christians added the cleanliness clause to their religion and added pagan holidays to ingratiate themselves with the Romans. After awhile the Romans decided that they needed more bodies to catch arrows so they enlisted the hordes of Christians in their conquest for world domination by telling them it was a "holy" war. That was their downfall, they thought they could control the mass of ignorant unwashed savages, but they were overwhelmed by the sheer number of them. The rest is history as they say, anyone with enough charisma can now add their own spin to the religion that the Jews started and amass great wealth and power. It is the ultimate Ponzi scheme, you only need 1 incredibly shrewd and calculating, ruthless, charismatic greedy man to lure in a bunch of incredibly stupid greedy poor people and you have a religion with all its protections and plunder to be had.
And that is the truth about religion!
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Ascertain_The_Truth
Posts: 22
Posted: 05.27.10, 07:16 AM
No, you are incorrect. Al-Islam is a way of Life. It's a complete way of life that invite us to Wholeness and Completeness thereby obtaining Peace. Whenever the life is fragmented leaving out important essentials that makes for a whole life there will be no peace.

All of the important aspects of human life developed and were born out of the spiritual and social expressions from the soul and it found its first expression in the family life.

Al-Islam don't believe in separating man's spiritual life from his rational life, or separation the material interest from the spiritual aspirations.
Luis Khalil Avatar
Luis Khalil
Posts: 11
Posted: 05.19.10, 07:50 AM
What it makes Islam difficult to understand to westerners it that Islam is nos just a religion or just a political ideology, but it is both things. Things are not so simple. And that it is both things makes it not necessarily bad or good, but just more complex. In the west, religion and politics have been separated (as also religion and economy, and economy and politics, which does not mean that these three ranges and many others do not interact and be connected sometimes very causally and in a determining relation, for they do and sometimes, how!, but there are a lot of people that feel that economy and politics could use some ethics, and that is why they see in a good light the force of religion in politics. Maybe better politics or better economy would let us dispense with the meddling of religion in both.
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tlahw
Posts: 3
Posted: 05.12.10, 07:15 AM
Islam is not a religion it is a political ideology.
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balthazarF
Posts: 70
Posted: 04.06.10, 10:25 AM
If I understand you correctly, you approve of mad destruction when committed in the vaunted name of liberty and democracy yet you condemn mad destruction committed in the name of totalitarianism.

It is a very interesting set of morals that you profess which allows you to so rationalize acts of mad destruction.
PaoloPaolo49 Avatar
PaoloPaolo49
Posts: 4
Posted: 04.05.10, 04:31 AM
What does it matter? A great deal...Of course it matters. Democracy and Liberty offer a possible brighter future more than Totalitarianism does. Consider it type of lesser of evils at the very least...IF you consider democracy as a less than ideal form of society...a proposition I do not subscribe to.
balthazarF Avatar
balthazarF
Posts: 70
Posted: 03.20.10, 06:44 AM
What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction
is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Gandhi.
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