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A Lethal Obsession: Anti-Semitism Then and Now

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hollowman Avatar
hollowman
Posts: 2
Posted: 01.23.10, 10:01 AM
Garbage! If this dude truly believes the stuff he's spewing, the joke's on him. By all means get his book (from the library), but supplement you reading by buying various titles by Noam Chomsky (chomsky.info) and Norman Finkelstein ( normanfinkelstein.com ), both of whom are of Jewish ancestry and truly care about world peace via accurately reporting what's really going on.
Mark Sullivan Avatar
Mark Sullivan
Posts: 160
Posted: 01.21.10, 07:46 PM
This is perhaps the most interesting discussion I have yet heard on this site. Throughout my entire life, I have seen the world's attention drawn to Israel, a tiny part of the world in the middle of a desert. My desire to understand the Arab/Israeli conflict as objectively as possible has lead me to books, discussions and other sources and I must say, I have been saddened and shocked by the hatred of Jews I have seen in otherwise reasonable people. I see both Western academics and the United Nations and the so called "human rights" community to be the fuel supply to global anti-semitism, as they have chosen those against Israel and Jews in every issue where Israelis and Jews around the world are at odds with others.

I am stunned that the leaders of Hamas and Hizbollah and Ahmadinejad and many Imams in Western European nations have not been indicted by these International "human rights" tribunals for their clearly genocidal incitements as well as actions that are unambiguously war crimes as defined by the United Nations. The silence of the "human rights" groups in response to the incessant shelling of civilian areas by Hamas from Gaza compared to the outrage over Israel's response to those shellings is almost unreal. Even those in these groups who believe Israel does have a right to defend itself give only lukewarm support and insist Israel's response must be "proportional." If Israel did respond "proportionally" to this shelling, they would launch missiles back into Gaza civilian areas, missile for missile, right?

I am convinced that envy is a primary reason that Arabs and others hate the Jews. This tiny nation with almost no natural resources, has built an advanced, democratic society and has contributed a tremendously disproportionate amount of scholarship, creativity, art, technology and other contributions when looked at in light of its tiny population. The Arab world, on the other hand, sits atop a bonanza of natural resource wealth (which they could neither dicover or develop without Western leadership) and has contributed almost nothing to the world in terms of cultural, intellectual, technological or scholarly achievement in the last several hundred years. Even educated Americans buy into the "Jews run the banks," or "Jews run America" nonsense.

I admire Israel and believe the world would be greatly diminshed without this mighty, proud state and its people. Where would any of you rather live, Israel or Pakistan? Israel or Yemen? Israel or Saudi Arabia? Israel or Chechnya? Israel or the suburbs of Paris?

I will definitely read this book.
daniel greenfield Avatar
daniel greenfield
Posts: 1
Posted: 01.20.10, 08:06 AM
Very sharp and on the point.

Herf calls out critics on their double standard toward atrocities committed by terrorists, and those attacking him here in the comments are very obviously doing so because his points are hitting a little too close to home.

Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic. However a double standard is. It's possible to piggyback bigotry and dishonest attacks on criticism by dishonestly ignoring the context, and displaying a double standard that demonstrates bias.
le corbusier Avatar
le corbusier
Posts: 2
Posted: 01.20.10, 06:11 AM
on the contrary i think a lot of people will agree with you, i have only watched the highlighted clip so far but i also found it rather lacking in substance and selfcontradictory.

I found some parts of it rather nauseatingly selfobsessed and indeed closely resembling conspiracy-theories... as for example the odd assertion that there would be some sort of extra close bond between what one of the lecturers calls "the jewish people" and historic events, that kind of hyperbolis bullshit is what is behind rasism and tribalism.
lhcamilo Avatar
lhcamilo
Posts: 3
Posted: 01.20.10, 03:42 AM
People are probably going to disagree with me but I though this was very near sighted, specially with respect to the "anti-semitism card" question and some other points, it is very common for a person to be branded anti-semitic just for being critical of the israeli government, regardless of you being a Jewish person yourself.

It generally follows that people that oppose the occupation end up being accused of anti-semitism. The whole fact that we need to discuss whether it is valid to consider the accusation of "anti-semitism" is due to the fact that it has been overused in completely trivial situations.

I reckon that anti-semitism, racism and even sexism are outdated terms since we live in a egalitarian society where everyone is deemed to be equal, the -isms can be dropped and replaced by the despicable action of someone being prejudice towards a fellow human being.

so overall I do reckon that the content of the talk was rather poor.
nitka Avatar
nitka
Posts: 12
Posted: 01.19.10, 09:49 PM
Brilliant talk! I need to get that book to read..:-) I feel great empathy with Jewish people but I wish they would identify themselves as Israelites and not by their religious affiliations. I think all religious beliefs should be kept very private (like political views). Maybe one day we will all wake up to the world free from religions. John would have been pleased..:-)
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