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Is Democracy Not For Everyone?

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Tsarevitj Avatar
Tsarevitj
Posts: 1
Posted: 11.15.09, 08:13 AM
I think this debate chiefly came to be more about Australia's political life than democracy in general. I was worried to the last second when the result was revealed. I thought, are there such an anti democratic movement in Australia?

Democracy has to constantly be evolved. Sweden where I come was called and called itself a democracy e.g. in the 1940's but we should not consider many of the rules and laws from then as democratic today. It's evolving.
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farber2
Posts: 64
Posted: 11.15.09, 12:51 PM
democracy is too vulnerable to corprate, or other interests. without protections, democracy can't do it's job. then again, if you want uneducated people to have equal say, then we get crappy elected officials. it all comes down to trust, can you trust people to vote for quality candidates, can you trust officials to not be corrupt?
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scamper
Posts: 25
Posted: 11.15.09, 08:41 PM
I love how whenever they talk of people owning democracy, they only speak of 'corporations' they never talk of all the other special interests (public sector unions...).
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CulturalEngineer
Posts: 5
Posted: 11.17.09, 09:41 AM
On the role of the Individually-controlled / Commons-dedicated Account!

Democracy, or more likely in actual application, the many forms of representation whether via election, sortition or other method arose as a response to authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism was a very imperfect solution for the disconnection between the social network and the social organism that arose with the birth of agriculture and a need for methods for human organization which had not needed as hunter/gatherers.

Representative systems involve the introduction of horizontal distributed networks to counter-balance those hierarchical networks, which while functional for clarity and decisiveness will inevitably concentrate power while insulating it from consequences and promoting stagnation(oligarchy).

This was facilitated by an inability of technology to compensate for these conditions (an inability to restore the proximity of the Dunbar's Number sized social network we had as hunter/gatherers and its relationship to the individual's position, status, wealth & role in the group decision process).

The point here is that technology is now changing that imbalance in proximity... and is making progress, but still lagging in enhancing influence capability for the individual.

This is an extreme summary of a somewhat larger vision but here are a few links if interested:

Social Networks & the Social Organism: Healing the Breach

The Foundations of Authoritarianism

Self-interest vs Altruism: Problems in Scaling the Decision Process

Ayn Rand & Alan Greenspan: The Altruism Fly in the Objectivist Ointment

The 5-minute Fixing Big! PowerPoint found on my blog Chagora & Civilization Systems as well as Chagora demo are part of what I believe is an important assist to better governance... the Individually-controlled / Commons-dedicated Account

I believe the unfortunately unavoidable disconnection between the social network and the social organism which arose with the birth of agriculture (unavoidable at the time due to scale and technological limitations) remains the most unrecognized problem civilization faces.

Even possibly a fatal one.
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LeslieRibnik
Posts: 1
Posted: 11.19.09, 12:34 PM
"Democracy is the theory that government by many fools will be less foolish than government by one fool." -- Malcolm "Mal" Hancock
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