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Bishop Gene Robinson: Finding the Power Within

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Peter V Block Avatar
Peter V Block
Posts: 27
Posted: 10.18.10, 01:04 AM
I say good for him. It forces people to think about what they prefer to sweep under the rug. As far as listening to him preach: when if comes to advice, I prefer to debate and contemplate on the message, not the person.
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AGENTE"B"1633.
Posts: 38
Posted: 10.13.10, 05:29 PM
dijo que es homosexual y esta casado con un hombre o no entendi bien
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calamity
Posts: 2
Posted: 10.13.10, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nkmarks
Invictus_88


Dear friend, you might think that what you say it's clear, but it's not. Our society hasn't even decided yet if it is to allow gay people to get married and you think it's clear that him having sex outside of marriage, as you say, is a clear indication that he is "unfit to be a Bishop"?

And what is "marriage" and how does that relates to having sex, outside or inside of it? A paper that says you're married with someone gives automatically the permission to have sex with the other person without condemnation by others? Is the consent of the other person not enough to have sex with him or her? If not, then, in my opinion, it should be no wonder that almost 50% of the married couples separate.

A lot of things are being re-defined today and one of this is "marriage", and rightly so ...
According to the Catholic faith, yes, he's unfit to be a bishop. First of all, everyone knows that being a homosexual is an abomination to the Catholic church and to most religions out there. But definitely and especially the Catholic church. And also, bishops and priests of Catholicism cannot have sex or get married at all. It's the Catholic law, so I mean, if he wants to be a bishop and at the same time have sex outside of the religious preferences, then I think he needs to make his own religion.
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Invictus_88
Posts: 92
Posted: 04.12.10, 02:00 PM
"10 Comments
No comments yet, be the first!"

What gives?
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Sarenth
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Posted: 02.16.10, 04:32 AM
Excuse me, but where does it in the Bible, from Jesus' lips, say bishops must abstain from sex? Why should this tradition of abstinence and celibacy still matter? Did Jesus say anything to "one man, one woman?" I find it really interesting that so many Christians are willing to quote the Old Testament, but when you ask if their Savior, who should be the final word on any issue they have, expounded upon situation a or b, they have no answer or say Jesus did not speak to that issue. Then remind them of the Jesus' many sermons and parables.

Jesus' teachings can apply to almost any situation, especially his two commandments: Love thy neighbor as thyself, and Love thy God with all thy strength, thy will, thy soul. The Laws of Moses, according to Christ, are fulfilled by these two commandments. So what am I to believe, coming from a Christian? That their Savior's admonishment to love thy neighbor is overruled by some law back in Deuteronomy or Leviticus? That loving thy God is lessened by being gay, or having sex outside of marriage? I find both positions incredulous at this moment.
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senecatree
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Posted: 10.13.09, 07:22 PM
He is referring to the biblical definition of what a bishop should be.

It is clear that a bishop can only have sex within marriage. Biblical marriage says one man and one woman within the vows, therefore it makes sense for the Apostolic succussion to refer to a heterosexual biblical marriage.

It just doesn't make sense for him to seek a position of power in an institution founded on a text that does not accept his own lifestyle.
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nkmarks
Posts: 13
Posted: 09.24.09, 08:59 AM
Invictus_88
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He's a bishop claiming valid apostolic succession, but he regularly has sex outside of marriage.

Gay or straight, this makes him unfit for the episcopate.
Dear friend, you might think that what you say it's clear, but it's not. Our society hasn't even decided yet if it is to allow gay people to get married and you think it's clear that him having sex outside of marriage, as you say, is a clear indication that he is "unfit to be a Bishop"?

And what is "marriage" and how does that relates to having sex, outside or inside of it? A paper that says you're married with someone gives automatically the permission to have sex with the other person without condemnation by others? Is the consent of the other person not enough to have sex with him or her? If not, then, in my opinion, it should be no wonder that almost 50% of the married couples separate.

A lot of things are being re-defined today and one of this is "marriage", and rightly so ...
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Invictus_88
Posts: 92
Posted: 09.17.09, 12:42 PM
Chida',

I'm not sure what you think I said, but I can assure you that I wasn't endorsing prejudice against homosexuals.

"Gay -OR- straight, this makes him unfit for the episcopate."
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chidambarstef
Posts: 1
Posted: 09.16.09, 07:16 AM
Obviously, Invictus 88 has not read the New Testament well enough! re:the spirit of the Law and not the letter....and "What use is it if I have the gift of prophecy...etc. etc.....Let's see more Christians in true and loving action to transform and eradicate the evil and corruption, prejudice etc. in the world and less "churchianity"! Only a few years ago, it would have been normal and acceptable to keep slaves...now, we know better. Equally with sexual preference, one day we will understand how backward it is to be prejudiced against anyone because of their god-given sexuality. Christ was a non-conformist and so should we be!
God wants spiritual fruit not religious nuts!
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heybd
Posts: 60
Posted: 09.14.09, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Invictus_88
Obviously it's ridiculous that people hate him, let alone to the point of trying to kill him, but it remains the case that he's clearly unfit to be a Bishop.

Seems bizarre to hear him lecturing me on faith and spiritual power when his own faith isn't strong enough for him to to keep himself within the rules of his position.
How is it that he is unfit to be a bishop, and how is he outside the rules of his position? There must be some background info that I am unaware of.
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