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A REALLY Inconvenient Truth: Dan Miller

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Shaun Chamberlin Avatar
Shaun Chamberlin
Posts: 1
Posted: 12.28.09, 05:15 PM
Hi Dan,

I think a key thing that you haven't mentioned is the capacity for soils to sequester carbon (probably falls within your broad definition of geo-engineering). You mention biochar, which is related, but I believe restoring the living carbon content of our now-degraded soils around the world is both an approach with greater potential, and can truly claim to be one of nature's own solutions.

I have summarised the research and my thoughts here, including the IPCC specialist's findings that we could reduce CO2 concentrations by 50ppm by this method:
http://www.darkoptimism.org/2009/12/...nge-solutions/

Also interesting article here:
http://www.resurgence.org/magazine/article2955.html

All the best,
Shaun

ps Although I have other concerns with the approach, I've always wondered why fish eating the iron-fertilised algal blooms and preventing them from sinking to the bottom is seen as such a problem? Isn't sequestering carbon in fish just as valid as sequestering it in trees? Indeed, maintaining increased fish stocks seems like it would have other obvious benefits...
DannyAstro Avatar
DannyAstro
Posts: 21
Posted: 12.27.09, 01:58 PM
Correction:

In previous versions of my talk, including the online videos, I used an incorrect animation to demonstrate the dramatic melting of the Arctic ice from 1979 to 2007. The animation I used was actually the 2007 maximum to minimum sea ice extent (i.e., one year). The correct animation is available here:

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000...osite_ipod.m4v

Unfortunately for all of us (and the reason I made the mistake), the 2007 maximum to minimum sea ice extent looks a lot like the 1979 to 2007 yearly minimum sea ice extent! In other words, back in 1979, the minimum sea ice extent (in September) was only slightly smaller than the maximum sea ice extent in 2007, and the progression of year-to-year minimums looks a lot like the 2007 max to min melting! The end points of both animations (2007 minimum sea ice extent) are the same in both animations. The still frame following the animation in the talk, comparing the average minimum extent with the 2005 and 2007 minimums, is correct.

While sea ice extent has recovered somewhat in 2008 and 2009, the amount of “multi-year” (i.e., thicker) ice continues to diminish, so it is estimated that the volume of ice in 2008 was actually less than 2007. You can visit the National Snow and Ice Data Center to track sea ice extent on a daily basis.

The basic assertion in my talk that the Arctic will be mainly ice free in the summer in 10 years -- if not less --, unfortunately, still appears to be true. And to tie into another part of my talk, the loss of Arctic sea ice is linked to accelerated melting of permafrost.

I apologize for the error. If you spot other errors in my talk, please contact me.
4TimesAYear Avatar
4TimesAYear
Posts: 45
Posted: 12.13.09, 05:33 PM
They can geoengineer all they want, but it won't have any significant impact on climate.
johnbel Avatar
johnbel
Posts: 1
Posted: 12.12.09, 06:33 PM
This guy is not even a scientist, he is just regurgitating misinformation. You are all sheep.
Brendett Avatar
Brendett
Posts: 5
Posted: 12.10.09, 04:42 AM
Weather Channel Founder's Intent To Sue Gore For Fraud On Global Warming
Al Gore has made a lot of money and publicity with his crusade against global warming. I have written in the past how this whole crusade seems to be based on a Big Lie, and its real purpose appears more intended to get global government so the rest of the world (ie. the United Nations) can gain control over the United States' many assets without having to go through the awkward exercise of actually getting a their authority recognized by the US Congress.

However, there has been a backlash against the Gore Warming crusade (fueled partly by Gore's own hypocrisy in using large motorcades, private jets and his lavish lifestyle- none of which are designed to show others that he is serious about the entire issue. Not that the press has bothered to do any real reporting- they have fallen in line with Gore's crusade lock, stock and barrel- refusing to report on critics and making statements equating said critics with Nazis and other undesirables. However, the evidence is mounting that Gore and his global warming friends are no more accurate in their claims than Newsweek was in its new ice age campaign in the 1970s.
Brendett Avatar
Brendett
Posts: 5
Posted: 12.10.09, 04:23 AM
Al Gore is more about selling books and the people are falling for his line of bullshit !
The earth has been changing for billions of years...
Go back to the Ice Age didn't it change the earth!
Al Gore and his group of people have found a great paying jobs call climate change!
And we the people are idiots!
Sydney Forte Avatar
Sydney Forte
Posts: 5
Posted: 11.29.09, 11:36 PM
P.S.- A conservative "rag," "American Thinker," dismisses, to put it mildly, the concept of global warming, and not just human-caused warming, ALL global warming. The claim that, actually, the warmest years were in the 1930's. That WAS the dust bowl period. Are they right? I suppose there's a web-site for that information.

Peace. Syd.
Sydney Forte Avatar
Sydney Forte
Posts: 5
Posted: 11.29.09, 11:27 PM
What did the host say in the introduction? "We're really..." WHAT?!?
This lecture is at least as good as "An Inconvenient Truth," but I have just one
nit to pick, other than the poor sound production, and that is: Why do so many otherwise intelligent people, and especially, those in scientific fields, mis-
pronounce "nuclear," Dan? (As a linguistically conscious person, I have a num-
ber of other gripes, such as: A)Many adults calling a picture, a "pitcher," like a first-grader. (Even the late art instructor, Bob Ross, said "pitcher.")
B)Use by almost all radio and TV personalities of the Appalachian colloquialism, "waiting on" instead of "waiting for," as in expectation, not serving. C)Saying standing "on" a line in which one is a part, etc.
wsoutherland Avatar
wsoutherland
Posts: 28
Posted: 11.23.09, 07:20 AM
Ingredients for a religion or cult:

Original Sin (for which we must ask forgiveness)
End of the world scenario (Revelations; as if we haven't heard all of that before)
Accepting personal responsibility for something we have no control over (unless we use this as an excuse to take over the whole world; wouldn't be the first time).
Personal sacrifice and discipline as the answer.
Predictions that will well exceed the lifespan of everyone.
The ones who really benefit are the priests (such as Dan Miller and Al Gore).

Any of the above sound familiar? 2 degrees is bad, 6 is deadly. 2 feet is bad 6 is deadly. Coincidence? Convenient. Congratulations.

I found the slide on the "psychology of climate" change interesting. Bad title though, should have been titled "How humans naturally spot hoaxes and how to suppress your natural instincts." My take away from this is that tonight, I will drive to a steakhouse in my V8 Trans Am and eat a steak (Outback should write Dan a check). As coal is one of our biggest exports (US), it would be economic suicide to cut back. Why cripple yourself at 20 because you may die of a cholesterol induced heart attack at 60?

We have bigger things to worry about. Odds are much higher we will all die from a nuclear or biological weapons exchange. Regardless, the sun will explode eventually anyway or the moon will leave our orbit. Who do we apologize to for that? We don't owe nature anything. Considering how many people have died to natural disasters, disease and famine I would be happy to know that we were the cause of it's destruction rather than something external.
Lloyd Burt Avatar
Lloyd Burt
Posts: 14
Posted: 11.22.09, 02:37 AM
So...how about those emails from the big names in climate "science"? That stuff is a great read. They certainly seem oblivious about the way the scientific method is supposed to work. What's worse is that from their responses to the leaked emails (in which they admit these are in fact real) they seem to have no idea that what they're doing would (heh, or will) get them fired from most academic jobs...if not jailed (one actually says in one of the emails that he'll delete the data rather than allow it to be examined by a skeptical scientist under FOIA).

With some of the editors of the IPCC reports showing this kind of bias...its obvious how the "science" came out so very, very wrong.
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