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eglasgow Avatar
eglasgow
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Posted: 06.05.09, 03:27 PM
This is absolutely scary.
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adambl
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Posted: 06.05.09, 06:08 PM
Some really scary stuff. I just wish that stuff could be separated from the more iffy conspiracy theory stuff.
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PJH
Posts: 6
Posted: 06.05.09, 06:42 PM
On the theories of 9/11 truther Steven E. Jones: "That, you're not going to find in any corporate media study."

Nope, you won't, because any number of credible scientists and engineers could tell you that the theories don't hold water. Including this kind of 9/11 Truth BS undermines the credibility of this book, and that of Project Censored in general. Hey, PC: Credible doesn't have to mean Corporate -- but you're working towards those ends, whether you mean to or not.
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Rob Tamaki
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Posted: 06.10.09, 01:53 AM
I am an professional engineer with graduate level credentials, and I personally find the work of Stephen Jones to be highly credible and carefully researched. I have yet to encounter one of your so-called "credible scientists and engineers" who, having studied the work of Jones and others, found that their proposals "do not hold water." Perhaps you can point me toward the papers that refute the results of Harit et. al. paper that identify high tech nanothermitic residuals in four independently procured samples of World Trade Center dust. Until you do so, I suggest that you retract your comment.
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adambl
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Posted: 06.10.09, 01:16 PM
http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/0...othermite.html
Wham!
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Vasil
Posts: 46
Posted: 06.11.09, 01:07 PM
There would always be a thin line between censorship identified by one of the book authors as "distorted or undercovered stories" and credibility. This issue becomes extremely important with the emergence of new sources of media such as blogs and other social networking tools. Now everybody’s able to publish their opinions and debate on controversial issues. However, the question is how to establish yourself as a credible source? True, traditional corporate media is often biased and used primarily for propaganda. This especially true when covering international events such as interventions abroad, promotion of democracy etc. Still for now I would prefer to read T. Friedman column in NY Times rather then a random blog documenting some dubious facts on 9/11. Nevertheless, Project Censored is a great way to start establishing a brand for independent media.
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PJH
Posts: 6
Posted: 06.12.09, 04:54 PM
@ Rob Tamaki: Oh, you're a professional engineer with graduate level credentials? Well, nifty. I assume you're familiar with the concept of peer review. Tell me this: why has no Stephen Jones study on the WTC ever appeared in a major peer-reviewed journal? Not one. Ever. If I'm wrong, give me a link. Until then, retract your own frigging comment.

"The 9/11 conspiracists...proffer what they demurely call 'disturbing questions', though they disdain all answers but their own. They seize on coincidences and force them into sequences they deem to be logical and significant. Like mad Inquisitors, they pounce on imagined clues in documents and photos, torturing the data *- as the old joke goes about economists -- till the data confess. Their treatment of eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence is whimsical. Apparent anomalies that seem to nourish their theories are brandished excitedly; testimony that undermines their theories--like witnesses of a large plane hitting the Pentagon -- is contemptuously brushed aside." - Alexander Cockburn [The Nation, Sept. 7, 2006]
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earthborg
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Posted: 06.15.09, 12:02 AM
To be fair the conspiracy theorists have actually provided us with much more information than the government or media has. In fact the 9/11 commission report did not even mention tower 7, not once. No one has attempted to explain how exactly 9/11 happened except for the conspiracy theorists. If you listen to the arguments, and their proof, some of which are drawn from peer-reviewed journals regarding material sciences and the physics of cell phone calls, testimony from people that have actually worked on the construction of the towers, some drawn from paradoxes and inconsistencies from the official reports of the media and the altruistic government, they are much more plausible than any oversimplified BS that the government has given us. People's testimony are simply qualifying factors and are not the strength of the conspiracy theorist argument. The facts that are not addressed are. Explain to me how Tower 2 smokes before the plane hits on video camera, seconds before it hits, just as many people such as NYC firefighters and educated and non-agenda holding professionals on the street said that they heard and felt explosions before the plane hit. And also, which peer-reviewed journal would such a theory and it's proof be submitted to in all seriousness? Which one? Plus the site was not available for independent investigation at all. Even people who worked on the removal of rubble and bodies have spoken out about the cut support beams. Anyone who dabbles in physics would know that the building would not have collapsed from the crash, especially like a controlled demolition in 7 seconds and would not be in that many pieces without being obliterated by explosives. Obviously there is not one discipline that an issue such as this resides in, and drawing its proof from physics, media studies, logic, political science, and many subjects that do not reside in cut and dry in academia. One can adopt skepticism to not believe in anything but beliefs are not always truth, and the truth is self-evident if enough information is presented which the government has not done. We are forced to accept their word to believe in how they say 9/11 happened. What piece of evidence have they offered to link Osama Bin Laden to this crime if he nd his associates did in fact do it? None. Oh a video tape where he is right handed, even though the CIA website says that he is left handed. If this was a court of law or science the establishment argument would be doomed. Why does the president have conflicting stories about the events of that day? He has stated, on video, on national television, that he saw the plane hit the first tower on that day before he read to the children although footage of it was not available until the next day because news crews obviously were not there to film what had not started yet and th emedia had not obtained the video from the man who filmed it himself until the next day. On 9/11 the news only had footage of the second tower and tower 7. So why would the president make this up? Think for yourself. You can insult people with the conspiracy theory label but that does not address their logic or present facts to the contrary. Don't be a tool. If you want to feel like a citizen or patriot by accepting what is popular to accept that does not make you right. It makes you a parrot for that which you have not decided for yourself because you have surrendered your decison-making to others to think for you. And i do not accept that the government did it. There's enough private wealth and power to pull this off without a government agencies resources, all that was needed was complicity.

"All governments are lying murderers"
-Bill Hicks
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stevec
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Posted: 06.28.09, 10:48 PM
PJH- I disagree. Project Censored's credibility is not only validated, it is greatly elevated by the inclusion of independent 9/11 investigations. It's possibly the one thing that confirms they are dead serious in their work.

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If someone believes the entire story of 9/11 as it was sold to them directly (and immediately) by the government and the corporate media megaphone, it is they who are living in a dream world. Is it corporate media's role or sworn mission to make sure citizens receive the hardest, most honest news available? And do they pursue the truth relentlessly, no matter what the cost? If someone actually believes that, they are a victim of the slick infotainment and advertisements that are shoveled at them 24 hours a day.

It seems only the bravest among us pursue the truth no matter what inconvenience or pain it might bring. In the scripted, ratings-based reality that corporate media continues to spin for us, every effort toward truth and good information is worth it. Every valid question deserves thorough consideration. >>> Hats off to Project Censored for their fair and intellectually honest work.

AND LASTLY: If you can gaze at the extensive video evidence of 47-story WTC7 (from multiple angles) collapsing into a pile of dust in only a few seconds, and tell yourself that everything is ok – then we are impressed and nauseated at the same time. But we will wait patiently for the day you snap out of it. Until then, you can leave as many comments on the internet as you like, but it won't change what's going on in the world.

Peace.
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Invictus_88
Posts: 75
Posted: 08.06.09, 01:22 PM
As much as the 9/11 situation is interesting and important, there's a much broader aspect to this talk, and many other important aspects which are being missed here.

The Florida part of the election, for example. Or the deep corporatisation of the U.S. political system.
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