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The Large Hadron Collider and Unified Field Theory

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JTankers Avatar
JTankers
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Posted: 10.07.08, 06:50 AM
Frank Wilczek is Brilliant
Frank Wilczek is billiantly insiteful IMHO. I particularly liked his recent interview on msnbc CosmicLog "The Grid we live in"[1]

I suspect that if Dr. Wilczek's words were free from consequence[2] he would more freely discuss the level of uncertainty regarding safety of the LHC experiment and perhaps support astrophysicist Dr. Habil. Rainer Plaga's risk mitigation recommendations[3] including slow and studied energy increases.

LHCFacts.org

[1] http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...4/1441007.aspx, The Grid we live in, msnbc CosmicLog (24 Sep 2008)

[2] http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...2/1326534.aspx, Courts weigh doomsday claims (2 Sep 2008)

[3] arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders - Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008)
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SaneScienceOrg
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Posted: 10.07.08, 03:38 PM
LHC Disaster
Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough'
September 24, 2008 - 'LHC on hold until spring of 2009' - PhysicsWorld.com: "The magnet failure last week at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) means that the accelerator will not be up and running again until early spring of 2009, say officials at CERN. To keep the project on schedule, the team running the accelerator near Geneva have decided to skip a planned test run at an intermediate energy and re-start the LHC in 2009 at the full beam energy of 7 TeV.") And begin creating Black Holes.
Zealous, jealous, Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing groups of billions of heavy subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets, AntiMatter and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the CERN quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic, "The hunt for the God particle", exactly sums this "science" up: "If all goes right, matter will be transformed by the violent collisions into wads of energy, which will in turn condense back into various intriguing types of particles, some of them never seen before. That's the essence of experimental particle physics: "You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out." Read about the "other stuff" below:
http://www.SaneScience.org
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon6.htm
http://www.LHCFacts.org/
http://www.LHCDefense.org/
http://www.LHCConcerns.com/
Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"
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AlienIquirer
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Posted: 11.22.08, 11:28 AM
Amazing. The LHC is a tribute to the female, the Tao, the origin of mankind. Whereas, sperm compete to reach and penetrate the egg to create human form modern Man has created-- in cooperation-- this scientific marvel that will penetrate the ultimate mystery of the universe. What can result? I believe it will produce the knowledge to virtually free, safe and ubiquitous energy.
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evilawesome
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Posted: 02.23.09, 01:12 AM
while i must respectfully differ from both of my other esteemed posting colleagues who appear to be fucking crazy, i must say, what a beautiful and thorough explanation of the inner workings of the universe, and what an inspiring statement to the reach and the breadth of the human mind.

i also find slightly charming that one of the brightest minds on the planet refers to them as "noodles".
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Aaberg
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Posted: 08.15.09, 02:10 AM
What you, SaneScienceOrg, fail to realize, is that what the LHC is doing is happening all the time around us. The only difference is that the LHC is able to monitor the actions in a controlled environment.
I actually read your wall of text, and it was all nothing but alarmist hot air, built on lacking understanding of the LHC.
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Bourbaki
Posts: 6
Posted: 12.08.09, 05:18 PM
Aaberg:

dont waste your time explaining to ignorants what is difficult to understand for a normal educated person... Belief is not based on reason.

I concure with your post and will add, like a LHC scientist once said, that it is much more probable that the LHC will spawn a few billions dragons and faeries to play havoc with earth than a single micro black hole that will evaporate as soon as it is created.
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morphex
Posts: 3
Posted: 12.10.09, 11:38 PM
To you don't have to be a physicist to recognize slander. The catastrophists in these posts slander anyone they can't frighten with their otherwise entertaining scenarios. Perhaps that is why Hollywood is shy of them.
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kieranor Avatar
kieranor
Posts: 1
Posted: 12.11.09, 02:14 PM
Fantatic entertainment! Can you please indicate what you are drinking... I'd like to have a double!

Enjoy your paranoia...
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miguel coelho
Posts: 1
Posted: 12.13.09, 05:20 AM
To call on people´s ignorance is not the same than to call on their stupidity. It´s rather a natural reaction to turn into apocaliptic theories when we instinctively feel that something that may collapse the entire reality principle is about to be revealed. For instance, Peter Sloterdijk, who´s diatribe with Habermas on scientific matters as the eugenics discussion, confirmed him as one of the most brilliant minds questioning human processes and evolution, has recently embarassed himself in public (it´s on youtube...just look for it) making the same amazing remarks that have been made here. So you see...it´s not a matter of stupidity, but simply a matter of ignorance and instictive insecurity about what we are and about the nature of this reality we´ve built. To be affraid of the LHC is not a sign of stupidity, but a natural sign of awareness that something very fundamental is gonna give way...one way or another.
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socratus
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Posted: 12.17.09, 03:56 AM
The mad CERN ’s project.
=== .
In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the target. Bomb them!
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
========= .. ========.
Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
========== .. ===============.
Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to succeed?
As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
========== . ======== .
The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
============.
What was before - “ the big bang” or the vacuum ?
The physicists created “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look at how our physicists made this accelerator.
They made the vacuum and after they generated a big reaction
between two colliding particles in some small imitation of the
“big bang”. They didn’t make this process in the reverse.
So, what was prior in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum?
==========..
The Universe as whole is Vacuum, first of all.
=== .
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.
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