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Would We Be Better Off Without Religion?

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galtexan Avatar
galtexan
Posted: 01.03.09, 02:21 AM
farber2 if God didn't give us the knowledge to become Doctors and build hospitals, then we would probably be extinct by now! Do you have any other stupid comments?
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galtexan
Posted: 01.03.09, 01:47 AM
Lyn Allison for one thing is misquoting the bible, no surprise there those foolish atheist like her always does! Oh and she knows with out a doubt how this universe was created...then that makes her all knowing...She is arrogant! Oh in she seems to care so much for witches and how religion hurts children, yet it is OK to kill over 70,000 unborn babies everyday due to abortion, right? The Irony of these people like her makes me sick!!!!!!!
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KimYantra
Posted: 12.31.08, 07:57 PM
It was disappointing to hear all of the participants bogged down with the concept of religions (plural) rather than religion/spirituality in general. Would the world be better off without relgious factions fighting against eachother? clearly. Would the world be better off without the concept of religion? That is more nebulous. What purpose does religous belief serve? Is it important? Is it helpful? What are the benefits and drawbacks of spirituality? That would have been a much more interesting debate.
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Luis R. Murrell
Posted: 12.29.08, 07:04 PM
Someone just handed me a book called "The Tender Carnivore" by Paul Shepard. From what I've read it makes the case of making environmentalism- or to be more precise, "Deep Ecology"- a religion even stronger. Deep Ecology has a very specific ethical basis- the exalting of the non-human or 'natural' as an end in itself, of seeing any human activity that intrudes upon or alters the 'natural', even agriculture, as evil and anti-natural, an 'eco-centric' standard of values as opposed to an 'anthropocentric' view- which essentially reduces human life to a non-value or a value no graeter than the lowest of the lifeforms. All this is found in the philosophical worldview of many of the world's religions, including the "Garden of Eden" myth that creates an idealized perfect past before the "fall of Man". One can still be an environmentalist and not subscribe to Deep Ecology. Just like feminists come in all colors of the ideological rainbow, one can be from the Right or Left and share a common environmental agenda. But I believe the Deep Ecologists should come clean, come out and declare themselves a religion. It could become much more organized and consistent with their stated beliefs without necessarily dogmatic. It could have its own rituals, its own set of devotions, even a sacred literature...I mean this in all seriousness. There is nothing wrong with creating a new religion. As a religion it can impart meaning, motivation and community to those who choose to follow it. It can enter the public discourse of ideas on an equal footing with other religions and beliefs. Just as an Mormon or a Baptist can run for public office guided by his personal faith without making it policy, so can a member of the environmentalist religion bring his faith into the public sphere- without pretending that what they are promoting is science.
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searchinwithnoagenda
Posted: 12.25.08, 11:40 AM
Thanks for your thoughts.
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scamper
Posted: 12.24.08, 11:23 PM
Re: Why does mankind invent religion?
hmm, I don't know. I guess there are a lot of reasons. 1. To explain what they don't know. Back in the day it might have been what causes lightning. Yet, some core questions still remain... like how we got here. 2. To give meaning to life/death. Are we really nothing more than animals roaming the planet... not really different than a cat or dog? So religion helps with this. You are here to serve god... there is a greater life later on. 3. Identity. I don't know if people invented it for identity, but we surely continue it for that reason. It becomes part of you... the same as culture. 4. To provide a super-law. It's possible leaders invented religion to give them and their laws more authority. 5. Man was drugged out or crazy. This is highly possible. If someone was crazy or on drugs, they might suffer delusions and then convince themselves they heard something supernatural. Those beliefs then spread. 6. Then again, its possible God really exists and man didn't invent anything :P 7. Can't think of much more off the top of my head.
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searchinwithnoagenda
Posted: 12.24.08, 05:07 PM
Why does mankind invent religion?
Appreciate your post. Why does mankind invent religion? Is it to justify their acts (no matter how detrimental to others) that advance the physical well-being (i.e. modern creature comforts/conveniences) of their own individual lot in life and/or that of the collective group to which they belong? Would like to know the thoughts of you and/or others.
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scamper
Posted: 12.23.08, 03:22 AM
Would the world be better off without political ideologies, nationalism, different cultures... ? That is the same question as asking would the world be better off without religion. All the 'bad' things spoken about religion are found in any other 'belief system' If the religious divide causes someone to kill because they are Christian and the other is a Hindu. What difference is that from killing someone killing someone because they are French and not British? If religion messes up science as the birth control example did... how is it different that environmental religion caused bad science to embrace ethanol... where any reasonable person could have seen the rise in food prices, the deforestation, the lack of a significant reduction in carbon... If I force you to convert to a religion... how is that different than forcing me to convert to your political ideology (socialism, capitalism, communism, fascism...). Basically, religion is no different from any other belief system that mankind has invented and it has all the good and bad that comes along with it.
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searchinwithnoagenda
Posted: 11.27.08, 02:30 PM
Religion = Stuff vs. People?
Religion = Stuff vs. People? At or near the highest level of abstraction, to what extent is the Christian religion merely a message of material prosperity via organization, uniformity & conformity?
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searchinwithnoagenda
Posted: 11.27.08, 02:26 PM
Religion = Stuff vs. People?
At or near the highest level of abstraction, to what extent is the Christian religion merely a message of material prosperity via organization, uniformity & conformity?
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