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Dean Kamen on Potable Water and Sustainable Electricity

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sdaniels Avatar
sdaniels
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Posted: 08.24.08, 02:15 PM
TO: Dean Kamen

FROM: Steve Daniels
Lexington, Mass.
stvendaniels@hotmail.com

On August 24, 2008, I was watching your presentation on Science Channel’s NEXT WORLD. On this show, about future life on earth, you were demonstrating a devise that could distill poor water and produce many liters of clean water each day.

I really felt the need to contact you, to let you know that your new product may not necessarily help mankind. There is an excellent possibility that your new product may hurt mankind tremendously.

In your presentation, you made reference to the cleansing of poor water in third world countries. One’s first thought about your product providing clean water to third world countries appears to be a miracle.

On the contrary, your product will probably be the primary cause for an increase in world population. Not only will it do this, it will greatly increase the rate of increase in population (increased acceleration).

I assume you are aware that the world has a population problem and that this problem is the cause of many other problems such as the supply of crude oil and all it by-products. Have you given any thought to this?
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jasbcor
Posts: 2
Posted: 10.23.08, 06:10 PM
To Steve Daniels-
Do you have any research to assert your claim there is a correlation to population growth and water quality? Why is it that western countries with an ample supply of potable water have the lowest birth rates? I think you need to do some homework before making leaps of (il)logic to support any such claim.
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David Pigott
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Posted: 06.24.09, 07:40 AM
the reason poor water quality countries have higher birth rates has many reasons. Let's begin with education. Cultures with higher education rates tend to have fewer children (mom works, they contribute to a 401k & expect investments to allow them to retire). In developing countries, very little education, and thus very little financial investment for retirement. Kids are the 401k for poor nations which are overwhelmingly agricultural. As for water quality, well, we know that the majority of deaths occur to small children and infants (diarrhea, giardia, cholera, malaria) and old people. As Kamen points out, many of the millions of deaths a year are from water-borne diseases: clean up the water, reduce the deaths. The link between population rates and the developing world is not immediately water related; it is education related. Educate a population (yes, water education as well) and we liberate it from the endless cycle of poverty and poor health.
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samtheman
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Posted: 06.25.09, 02:57 PM
@sdaniels - Even though you are somewhat right, I don't think it's ethical to keep feeding third world countries poor quality of water when we can easily fix the problem. If we fix the poor water quality, then we would probably spend less money on medical treatment (sure, malnutrition is still a problem but we would have one problem less to worry about). If the small children and old people that develop health conditions due to the filthy water they are consuming survive, they will probably continue to have these problems for the rest of their lives. If instead they die under these conditions, there are bound to be piles and piles of dead bodies (you did mention how there is overpopulation in third world countries.). These do not sound like proper living conditions. Who is to say that we shouldn't help out a 'third world' country when we have the opportunity to help?

I agree with @David_Pigott. The best path to take would be to educate the population. Educate them and help them on their way (e.g. give them clean water to drink, help them figure out how to produce more food for their villages, etc). As the old chinese proverb goes, "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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WilliamRobson
Posts: 6
Posted: 08.28.09, 04:55 PM
Yes. I love it! With clean water and engergy people can be educated to sustain themselves. When people have healthy bodies thier minds (especially children) are ready for knowledge.

We must empower all communities around the world with the knowledge they need to take care of themselves.

If we can not teach sustainability to this planet there will be war when resource scarcity becomes really real. Look what happened in New Orleans when people could not fend for themselves it took just over one day for all hell to break loose. People were killing for fresh water and food.

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Take some time out of your month to educate and help a youth!
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EricMB
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Posted: 09.02.09, 12:49 PM
The MP-4 Video download link does not work. Clicking on the link opens a web page that hangs.
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hoonami
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Posted: 01.14.10, 10:44 AM
@sdaniels
Good God man, do you think this is youtube? Read what you write before posting.

Kamen's invention is not going to cause more death. If it's mass produced it could dramatically slow the spread of waterborne disease. Developing nations are often overpopulated, but by implying that this is the single greatest cause of their 3rd world status you've grossly oversimplified an extremely complex issue. Poverty is not singly caused by overpopulation. If Sub-Saharan Africans didn't know for a fact that they will lose a third of their children to Malaria, they would probably have fewer children. Abject poverty is a difficult rut to pull oneself out of, especially when it's a national affliction. Diseases hinder much-needed economic progress.

Obviously cheap water purification is not a complete solution, because there is no single solution (Kamen is also developing some remarkable "distributed power" generators that could be used in the 3rd world where power utility infrastructure is rare).

In short: Whining about an unfortunate result of poverty as though you know for a fact that it's really the cause just makes you look like a moron.
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