Gavin Newsom in conversation with KQED Public Radio's Scott Shafer at The Commonwealth Club of San Francisco.
San Francisco Mayor Newsom's career - as a successful restaurateur, three-term District 2 supervisor, and the city's youngest mayor in 100 years - has drawn national attention. Newsom discusses the state of the city, his sometimes rocky relationship with the Board of Supervisors and the fast-approaching election.
Gavin Newsom was elected as the 49th Lieutenant Governor of the State of California on November 2, 2010. His top priorities are economic development and job creation, improving access to higher education, and maintaining California's environmental leadership. Prior to being elected Lieutenant Governor, he served two-terms as Mayor of San Francisco. Under his leadership, the economy grew and jobs were created. The City became a center for biotech and clean tech. He initiated a plan to bring universal health care to all of the City's uninsured residents. And Newsom aggressively pursued local solutions to global climate change. In the final days of his second term as Mayor, Newsom led a historic drive to host the 2013 America's Cup, one of the largest and most prestigious sporting events in the world, which is expected to generate roughly 8,000 jobs and $1.2 billion for the local and state economy.
Scott Shafer started his radio news career in the early 1980s as a reporter for KPFA in Berkeley and KFBK in Sacramento, where he filed some of the first stories in the nation on the AIDS epidemic. Shafer then went on to KOIT-AM in San Francisco, where he conducted on-air interviews with newsmakers from all over the world.
From 1988 to 1992, Shafer served former San Francisco Mayor Art Agnos as Deputy Press Secretary and then Press Secretary, and from 1992 to 1994 he served then-State Controller Gray Davis as Chief of Staff. He left a position as principal in the San Francisco public relations firm Staton, Hughes and Shafer to join KQED 88.5FM in 1998.
As host and correspondent of The California Report, Shafer has reported on a wide range of issues, and recently been honored with four awards for excellence from the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento.
He also hosts The California Report's "Health Dialogues" series on important health issues facing our state. The California Report is KQED 88.5FM's statewide news program, which is carried by over 24 public radio stations throughout California.
Is it just me, or is Newsom a little overly defensive here? I understand he gets a lot of undeserved crap from the local "progressive" crowd, but his approval ratings are still in the high 70s . Cheer up, Gavin.
Good evening and welcome to tonight's meeting of the Commonwealth Club ofCalifornia. I am Greg Dalton, CEO of the club. We are delighted this evening to presentSan Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom in his annual forum here at the CommonwealthClub. Today the Mayor Newsom will be in conservation with Scott Schaefer of KQEDRadio. Please welcome Mayor Newsom and Scott Schaefer.All right.How are you?I am good.Good, well I want to start, we have had these conversations. Seems like every year sinceyou been in office and we're getting to the end of your first term and just wonder as youlook back, what would you say is your biggest success, your biggest failure, or yourdisappointment in those in those first time almost four years now.Well let me answer it by asking a little different question and that is what am I mostproud of and I could tell you what I am most proud is getting 5460 human beings off thestreets. What I am most proud is proving a lot of my critics wrong when they said wecouldn't house 1872 people, let alone a 1000 people, let alone 500 people by coordinatinga new strategy to provide care not cash. What I am most proud of is turning the debateaway from managing the homeless problem to beginning to solve the problem through ahousing first project. What I am most proud of is that this city is about to become the firstcity in US history to provide universal health care and no longer talk about the problembut actually do something about it. What I am most proud of is this is a city that's notmaking pronouncements about moving forward to a greener more sustainable future butjust on Earth Day, breakfast a few weeks ago I announced that we are already 7.5 percentbelow where we are in our 1990 levels in 2007. Lot of Mayors now are makingpronouncements about 2030 rolling back their CO2 emissions about 25 percent whilewhere they are today, this is a city that's already rolled them back 7.5 percent below theywere in 1990. I am proud of the fact, we are 70 percent recycling rate just shy of that, thehighest in the nation. I am proud of the fact that we have been able to accomplish a lot ofthings against the back drop, a difficulty with one billion 29 million dollars structuralimbalance in the first three years I was in office that we have been able to accomplish allthat and move the city forward in spite of historic budget constraints and I can go on, butI can tell you those are things as a San Franciscan, I care deeply about and as Mayor I amvery proud of that.And what are you least proud of or most disappointed by?That there are thousands of people still on the streets, that are suffering that need oursupport, that we are a point in the margins on the environment and we can do so muchmore that we continue to suffer from a remarkable income inequality the likes of whichfew cities in this country experience, we have seen too many kids killing other kids. Weare seeing in our city, the wealthiest city and the wealthiest state and the world'swealthiest Democracy, we are still seen so much suffering particularly in and around ourHousing Authority projects and in communities not far from where we are. Where peopledrive by at SRO and don't know that five members of a family are living in a 150 squarefoot apartment using a bathroom with about 34 or 50 other residents in a single roomoccupancy hotel as they drive by to get dinner in North Beach. Those other things thatkeep me going and those are the things I am most concerned about.Most people I think would acknowledge that a lot has been done in the four years aroundhomelessness and it seems like the debate has really shifted, I mean, there was a hugefight when you were running from over care not cash, and whether you were climbing onthe backs of the poor to become Mayor, looking back on that is it your sense that thewhole tender of the discussion around homelessness has changed or it is a constant battle to sort ofIts remarkable, I think, you know, we are now in an election year so I think, you know, allbets are off in the next six months but I think its been a remarkable three and half yearswhere we have reconciled our differences and I think we share the same goals, theadvocacy community, board of supervisors and most of my critics and our supporters thatwe care deeply about people that are suffering from their dignities of homelessness.People are out there on the street corners suffering from bipolar disorders, schizophrenia,paranoid, people that are dually diagnosed with drug or alcohol addictions and what wehave done is we shift the debate again away from this continuum of care where we arefocusing on managing the problem to now having a model program for the rest of thenation called Direct Access to Housing, which was in its infancy when I first becameMayor but which has been exponentially expanded over the course of the last few years,we have evidence. 95 percent of the people that we have housed are still in housing. Wehave seen a decline in the case load associated with our efforts under care not cashdeclined 86 percent. These are staggering numbers, I stopped in the street by people thanin the past would have been out there criticizing and protesting and now we are sittingthere breaking down and crying that I never thought in my life, that I would have what Ihave now because of this initiative and I can tell you that's a ennobling thing and that'ssomething that needs to be replicated for a thousands of more people and that's whatkeeps us focused and keeps us going. I should make one final point that we have receivedin the last number of years historic amount of funding from the federal government that'salso a remarkable thing. When you consider again that the federal government in the statewas not looking favorably just a number of years ago on what San Francisco was doingaround its homeless problem, now we are getting a historic amount of federal fundingeven from the Bush administration because they are funding not the process but theresults. They are funding the successful nature of this new model which again is beingreplicated across this country.And yet most people I think, will evaluate how well you or the city are doing onhomelessness, by how many homeless people they see.And there are still a lot of people out there, thousands of them I mean, I live in theMission and I drive sometimes up Duboce or Division, you see encampmentswith tents and so on at night. Does this, we does, is that going to be there forever?No, we are going to keep fighting. We are not going to give up, we can house everybody.But there is a price to pay for that and you know, a lot of folks, are frustrated, you know,one thing we have done we we started this program called Return to Residence, thiswas quietly controversial, in the years past it would have been more controversial becausewe didn't lead with it. We've built trust and confidence that we are going to do it the rightway and one of the things I started noticing, we had no outreach workers when I started.There were no homeless outreach workers, literally in this city. We had outreachcontracts but they weren't actually proactively going out in the street and helping lift other people up.What was the mobile assistance program?That was a reactive program, it was reacting to phone calls that came in, it was notproactive consistent outreach. There was those events that were half and there werethree different types of reactive outreach but there were no outreach workers in thetraditional sense on a consistent basis going out in the streets. One of the things they cameback with is not only the need for housing but so many people wanting to reconnect withfriends or family and it was interesting there was a real, my aversion was well, I didn'twant to get involved in the whole discussion around "greyhound therapy" that we werejust going to get someone a bus tickets, sent them a long way ticket some place else. Andso no one wanted to get in that debate, not least of which me except that they convincedme by putting a human face on it, this is what folks needed the most. They did need thegovernment to care about them more, than they needed their family to care about themmore and so we did as we created a framework that someone had to be on the other end ofthe line and which hardly had been perfect, some folks have taken advantage of it andcome back to the city after going to Seattle or going to Wisconsin or other parts but whatis damning and remarkable is that every single state in the continent of United States wehave returned someone home, think about that. So when you, when I answered thequestion, well you still see people out in the street I get that but we now have the firstdatabase in our city's history. We know where people are from, we know how long theyhave been here and an extraordinary number of people have not been here about that long.So as we house thousands of people, if thousands of people that don't make their wayinto one of the most compassionate cities in the United States and we are not an islandand we are not putting up that 700 mile fence around the 7.5 square miles of SanFrancisco, that some are arguing for other emigrants that may come into our city becausewe have always embraced new comers of all kinds. People can afford to live here andpeople that are struggling to make ends meet.You said a moment agoThat's the challenge.- to get people off the streets, you said you said that we, you know, the base of that, itcould be solved eventually and said that there would be a priced, there would be a cost,what are you referring to?Yeah, well, you know, this city is bearing the cost of doing more than probably mostcities in this country arguably we can make the case that there are maybe one or two othercities that even come close to making an investment in poor people that San Franciscodoes. And so that comes at a price, now the challenge for us is well we can reconcile thatbut we'll lose part of our soul and our values then need to be questioned. A lot ofpeople criticized me saying well the more you develop this housing first, the more peopleare going to come. I get that argument, but at what point do I say no to your person thatyou care about that's been up in that side walk for three weeks. Or to someone's aunt oruncle or brother or sister, son or daughter do I say no to them because they just got heresix months ago and no longer are we going to service their needs. I can't do that, we can'tdo that, that's not what the city is about. So it needs regional leadership, it needs statewide leadership complete utter absence, a state-wide leadership.Including our representatives?There is simply a lack of resolve and constancy there is intermediate interest but there isnot the kind of follow through and commitment that needs to be build the real partnershiplike New York did with its state, New York City, they have a New York New Yorkmodel become the model for supportive housing in the country. It wasn't a federal effortit was a state effort with the city of New York. Now it's a unique city in terms of the sizeof the city, in comparison to the state but we are working right now with Maria Shriverand a member of her family who happens to be a city council member down in theSouthern part f the state Santa Monica and Angela Alioto who runs our tenure effort toend chronic homelessness to really bring this to the forefront in this state and its one ofthe reason I want to be here in the next few years because I got a lot of more work to doon this, but I think we are on the right path.You you have taken a pounding over the four years over a variety of things we will talkabout some of them. Looking back as as you when you came into office do you thinkthat you were naÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯ve about certain things and about the way politics works or what aMayor could or could not do in San Francisco?No, I didn't do, I mean sure, I mean, I hardly had all the answers, I hardly understood thejob but I don't think I was naÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯ve, I have been in elected office I think I have been close to11, 12 years. Had the opportunity to see one of the masters at work, first hand love themor hate them, Willie Brown, you know, and so I saw the good and the bad. I saw his fightswith members of the board that, you know, that haven't been resolved even with a newMayor and, you know, I saw the interaction, I saw the debate, I saw the frustration I sawhis approach and I learned an enormous amount from him in his history.Has your style changed, would you say is your philosophy of the governing changed since you can -No, I mean, nothing has surprised me, because I am I walked in with my eyes wide openthat everything it would be new and the experience would be enriching and fruitful attimes and other times frustrating and burdensome. But no, I think what I have maintained,perhaps it's even been elevated is the sense of idealism that I didn't even know I hadbecause we have actually accomplished things that I never if you told me three years ago,I never thought we would ever accomplish. If you told me this city and I am not takingcredit for any of this, I am just saying as a citizen in this city, if three years ago you toldme the following five or six things would all be happening in the next few years I wouldhave thought you were exaggerating. This is the city that is funding comprehensive ArtsEducation every child in every classroom K-12 because we are fed up with the state andfederal government getting out of arts funding, dance, music and theater. This is the citythat's doing universal pre-school, we are already doing in 14 neighborhoods, we are goingto complete this effort by 2009, what cities are doing universal preschool in valuing theimportance of early childhood education. This year we added 1500 slots for after schoolprograms 1320 that were enriched slots. We are going to have universal after school inour city, what city possibly can lay claim to doing universal after school, we are going tostart with elementary and Middle School students. We have a local, global climate actionplan that's an envy for the rest of the nation. We're actually delivering on ourenvironmental goals in historic ways we are doing universal health care. We are housingthousands of people in unprecedented rate. We are building more housing generally thanin any time in our cities history. We have seen the economy grow in extraordinary ways.Unemployment is down 41.5 percent compared to where it was three years ago. 57 newheadquarter companies, 11000 new small business registrations last year. Historic amountof spending that we have seen, I can go honestly on and on and I never would havebelieved that all of that was possible.Well let me justAnd that's giving me, Scott, tremendous amount of optimism about what we are capableof doing in a city. When in the past I thought well the state needs to step in and do thatwork in the federal government. As Mayor I have discovered not excuses but remarkable possibility.One of one of the things your critic say and I will just say critics on the board, forexample, is that you are great at press releases and image making, great at doing thepublic kinds of things but not so great about following through. And and I'll only giveyou a couple of examples of I think what they would point to - one of them is somethingthat you just mentioned, the universal health care. You had a press conference about ayear ago and stood up and talked about how we are going to be the first city in the countryto provide universal health access for everybody.That's right.And here we are about a year later and there is a pilot project that's about to begin in July.I think in Chinatown 500 people and it seems that that your statement they we're doinguniversal health care is little grandiose compared to what's actually happening and youknow, at this point no one has it.Not true. Well it's just not true let me give you some facts. Because again becausethis is frustrating because it's very misleading and I I wish that someone had informed youWell the person who told me was the person on your advisory.Because but here is my point, when we announced it, we said we were going to begin it.as a pilot in July of this year. So that's one thing, two we already have it, zero to 24.When I became Mayor I ran on this Scott and no one has focused on this. I said I wasgoing to expand Universal Health Insurance for everyone 19 to 24. And we have beendoing that in the last few years and people are enrolled in that program, we are the firstand only city in the United States with Universal Health Insurance, 0 to 25. And we areabout and I think I made that statement we are about to, I said in July enter into a newphase, we are going to provide health insurance for all 82000 uninsured. It's never beendone in US history. And it won't be done in July first. It will actually, you are right,through NEMs, through our neighborhood partners and through others through the SanFrancisco Health plan, we are going to get people medical home, a medical ID card andwe are going to begin the process of doing something over the course of the next 18 to 24months that will begin slowly and then ranch it up over the next few years. I don't knowhow, that with respect, is not delivering on the promises that we make.Well the person on your Advisory Committee who I talk with also said that it's highlydoubtful that this program is really going to survive a legal challenge that's being waged,I think by restaurants and other small businesses. What are your thoughts about that?The same person probably told you it was going to be highly doubtful that we didn't everget any money from the state for our program, and we just got $73 million from the state.Should have been I would have argued, it would have been at front page news. Barely itwas mentioned in our local press.Do you think you don't get enough credit for what you do?No, its not about me this plan and the folks that put it together deserve an enormousamount of credit for drawing down $73 million from the State of California. Does anydid anyone know that? That's a - $73 million been drawn down from the state for thishealth access plan. Not because they didn't think we can do it. Not because they thoughtwe were foolhardy, not because they were cynics because they were optimists and theythought we can do something that could be a model to others. Because they actuallybelieve we can deliver on this promise. So again Scott, I mean, this is remarkablecriticism when you consider it or do it something that no other city has ever done in oneof the process of order of magnitude change from the way we have been doing businessand we didn't just have a press conference on this. We have actually spent thousands ofhours. And my staff is as focused on this as anything they are working on and we don'tgovern by just having a press conference. We actually do things in between pressconferences. And and we actually try to make progress.But but there are but there are other examples. I will give you an example. Dieselbuses or hybrid buses year ago you stood up and you said, the city was accepting 56 busesthat were the beginning of getting the dirty, noisy, diesel busesThat's right.- off the streets. How many of those are actuallyWe have got 56 coming in June.But the press conference was a year agoBecause we announced I got I got to find out your sources because we announced theprocurement of those buses and we just got delivery of those buses. So we announced theprocurement of those buses and, you know, you are in government. You don't just make acontract it done just they don't just arrive from Europe that next afternoon and theywere tested on the city streets because this is the first time we have had these buses of thistype. We tested a dozen or so different types of buses. 56 are going out in June, 30 moreare going out by the end of the year.Clearly on the streets in June.They are out in the street. They are already a couple out but the rest are coming out inJune. So yeah we also announced let me could I, we can talk about this 75 otherthings we announced that are already happening. We talked about B20 and Biodiesels.We're ahead of our goals in doing B20 and all our, and all our diesel vehicles, which wasa mandate that we put into effect through executive order we are doing that, and we arean envy to most other cities in the nation. And that's associated with some of theconversion programs we are doing with our fleet. What else you have got, because thosearen't very good I need someWell we could keep talking about MUNI a little bit, there was aI am I am happy to talk about MUNI because we need to do a better job at MUNI. Ineed as Mayor to improve my performance on MUNI and we need to improve the on timeperformance of MUNI. But I don't know if if you know this. Through the first quarterof the year, the last month has been terrible. On first technology we had the highest ontime performance since 2000. You didn't know that because no one is going to writeabout that. The highest on time performance since 2000 in the first quarter of the year, wewere actually making progress on reliability, numbers are up. Pedestrian related incidentsnumbers are substantially down. On the experience that people have in terms of thecleanliness budget, the survey numbers were up. We had a very difficult time integratingwe are having a very difficult time integrating the third street light rail the T-line, whichyou know, I am ultimately accountable for but there are lot of engineering decisionsmade decade plus ago when the funding came in, left turns here, stops there that inhindsight may not have been the best decisions but we take responsibility for trying toimprove it. And you are going to see some improvements there you already have. But it'snot moving as quickly as I'd like.Let's talk about the Police Department because that has been a department not only foryou but for other Mayors that has been problematic. How satisfied are you with the jobHeather Fong is doing?I am very satisfied. She has brought a level of integrity to the department at a time whenjust remember where we were. This Police Department has had a difficult decade and ahalf, I mean, you had the entire command staff indicted, by the former DA. We had threepolice chiefs in a very short period of time. That was not a lot of trust and there was a lotof lot of negativity in the department. We brought someone in that wasWhat would you mean by negativity?Because there was a lot of frustration, there was a lot of negativity between the DA andthe Police Department. There was lot of negativity that permeated around the departmentin the press, the indictments were national news, they were international news. There wasa lot of frustration, there was a lot of change that was ongoing in the departments, so Itried to bring someone in that has integrity someone that can navigate through that. AndI think, she has done a good job under very difficult circumstances and one of the mostdifficult circumstances she has and appreciate you referencing the other cities is that wehave a shortage of police officers and we are aggressively trying to recruit new officers sothat we could do more in terms community policing, do more in terms of our interventionefforts in crime prevention strategies. And we have we would like and love to talkabout some of those specific plans, what our hiring strategies are. But I am satisfied, shehad had a very tough job to do in last few years and I think she is doing it well.Some of your allies on the board Bevan Dufty, former supervisor Ma, supervisorMaxwell complained that she is not communicative. You know, that she is not visibleenough. That she is not doing enough of telling them what her departmentNo, she is not she is not, well she is not a press conference person.But there but there are folks who would say about she is not a great manager either.Well I don't know if that's fair. I mean, of course, they are critics but I think she has donea good job under difficult circumstances.Are you satisfied with where the crime rate is?Absolutely not, I don't think there is a Mayor in big city Mayor in the country that'ssatisfied with the crime rate - crime. Homicides between 2004 and 2006 in this countryhave gone up 10 percent. You had a 14 percent increase in gang related homicides in LosAngeles last year. With Chief Bratton well known for his efforts and success in NewYork and he is facing an increase in gang related homicides and gang related homicidesacross this country have gone up in almost every big city we are all frustrated. I don'tthink Mayor Brown in Oakland was in competent, but he had a huge increase inhomicides last year. I don't think he didn't care, I think he cared deeply. I don't think hedidn't try. I think he tried desperately. I think Mayor Menino in the Boston Miracle thatwe all talked about has tried a lot in this last year and half, it's been difficult for him. Inthe last two years, crime in San Francisco has dropped 3.4 percent. Last year it dropped11 and a half percent, homicides, that is. We have seen and this doesn't get the attentionbut it's an interesting stat. Black on black gang related homicides where I got myself in alot of trouble because I said start a recall campaign against me in relation to the gangrelated activities has dropped 60.5 percent in the last 24 monthsWhat are the accounts for that?I think a lot a lot of factor. The grace of god, accounts for a good part of it. People arebeing shot, in some cases surviving. A lot of people are being shot and surviving. I thinkaggressive intervention, we have increased the gang task force by 16 members. We havesaturated certain areas of our city. We have been before there was a requirement to do asmall community policing thing that got a lot of attention in City Hall. We actuallystarted community policing in the big four housing projects in the South East sector ofSan Francisco and I think it's had a lot of effect in Sunnydale at West Point, MiddlePoint, Oakdale and some and Alice Griffith formerly Double Rock. We are nowdoubling that effort in the western edition and Visitacion valley. So we've worked hard,we have increased our Hunter units, we have worked with the state operation impact withthe CHP and we have invested and this is important, an historic amount of money intoalternatives to crime and violence because we recognized in our campus it's not a place ofpeace. So we have invested in summer job programs, $12 million last year. We providedprioritization for jobs for people coming out of juvenile probation. People that actuallymade mistakes in their lives were given priority jobs. We have created a lot of newcommunity building efforts where we have focused on people with felony arrests. Wefocused on getting people off the streets and in the job training programs. Not just actualjobs or job training. And we have got a lot more work to do. And am I satisfiedabsolutely not. Can we do better? I believe we can and I am not going to stop until we doa better job on that as well as MUNI.As you know the department has been criticized for having or not criticized is the rightword, but it has been, the statistics have shown that there is a much higher rate of AfricanAmerican felony arrests in San Francisco. Three times the rate of LA, of San Jose, doubleFresno five times the rate in Oakland. What's your sense of why that that's?Well in case a couple of things. We also have among the highest arrest rates overall ofany city in this state. This is most most people are not, they say well no one is gettingarrested. The fact is people are getting arrested more in this town per capita than almostevery major city, there is just two other cities in the state. And it's not LA. It's notOakland that have they are all lower arrest rates and only two that are higher. We askedan expert because we didn't we couldn't we couldn't explain this and it was a concernto all of us. And we asked an expert Dr. Fridell who came from the University can'tremember which in Florida.South Florida.South Florida and she came in and she did a report and analysis and she concluded thatshe cannot conclude that there is racist policing policies that are either being directlyimplemented or being effectuated but she can't conclude that there is no intuitive bias,that we all sort of have as human beings as it relates to arrests. And she came up with thestrategy and recommendations to make some improvements and she also noted that wehave some of the most progressive strategies on the books of any city in the nation andwe should be very proud of that. We are now taking her report and we are rolling it into alarger report looking at best practices of policing in this country. Many, by the way startedhere which is not a great sign because you want to think that they have it and that whenthey will be adopted everything will get better. But we are keeping an open mind andwe've got a comprehensive report that we hoped to have done by the end of the calendaryear and this group called PERF which she was associated with, is going to be doing thisanalysis with the support of the controller's office. Again a comprehensive review of bestpractices for policing which is long over due and something that I am very eager to support.There is a phenomenon I mean a lot of black communities are there in the country wherethere is lot of pressure for people not to talk to the police. AndHuge problem.Huge problem how how big a problem is this. Here and why is it what can be doneto really get beyond that?Well we have tried a number of things. It's the whole and it's the whole snitchphenomenon. You may have seen 60 Minutes, finally picked it up - its very difficult thingand had a guy who I have immeasurable respect for, I visited recently in Harlem namedJeffrey Canada who was the principal in that effort. And Jeff and I have talked directlyabout this and this is a phenomenon that's hardly unique in our city. People won't comeforward to tell us what they have seen. Right? When I became Mayor, a literally a fewdays after three guys who worked on my campaign were shot. Two of them were killed,one of them, I visited in the hospital. I got a little trouble for this because people felt I wasbeing a little too aggressive because I went and visited this individual and I said to him,his name I won't share, I said you know, tell me what happened. You know, who did thisbecause I know you know because your friends have told me and there are lot of otherwitnesses, and I won't say a word. I said what do you mean and he mentioned his sisterand his mother. I said I will give you my credit card right now, we will get you out ofhere, he goes no way. And it was a big wake up call of these phenomenon. Just killed twoof his best friends and he was shot. But doesn't but I couldn't believe it he had bulletholes everywhere and he was up the next morning watching a DVD.And the point is what?The point is he didn't want to uproot his life. He didn't want to snitch, he was born, Imean, he was rather he was raised not to snitch. He doesn't tell on people, he doesn'tbelieve in that and he was also worried about his life and he wasn't worried about literallylosing his life as much as his life becoming uprooted. Everything he knows is in thiscommunity and you couldn't move him far enough to feel safe and feel connected. Hewas going to be disconnected from everything he knows and everything he hasexperienced and this is a phenomenon that's happening at every city who is trying toaddress this. Let me tell you what I try to do. I don't know another city that does this, weactually increase, lifted all these rewards, you know these $10,000 rewards forinformation leading to an arrest. I remember doing a lot of rewards and I went up to theWest point, Middle point up in Bay View. I went out there and I actually announced allthese rewards, right, where one of the homicides were and everyone is laughing at me. Noone did a thing, you know, they all said man you don't understand. And they were right,they were irrelevant. Not one person, not one tip so about a year ago I asked, I said giveme analysis of all the rewards going back to when you are there with Art Agnos in theMayor's office and we have millions of dollars of outstanding rewards and no one hadtapped any of these things and so I said well, maybe the rewards are just not good enoughand so we actually increased 12 rewards to $100000. You take a $100000 we will some[0:31:37] ____ not one person has done it. We are now going to advertise those rewardseven more aggressively. I am thinking of doing a few to quarter of a million dollars so itsnot even relocation money. That's a substantial amount of money, there is just anunwillingness in many cases to rat someone out.So is there any one -?By the way, I met with some former gang members, some current gang members and Ihad this exact conversations Scott, I will never forget, it was the Bill Graham CivicAuditorium we did it very quietly without anybody knowing about it, met them upstairsand I started to getting a lecture because I was so - I said give me a break, I mean, Imentioned this guy and we know who killed him and by the way we arrested that guy onanother charge. He was also involved in killing a six week old baby and we got him onanother thing. In this case, those two people will never be arrested for that [0:32:27] ____and they started lecturing me. They said don't you Mayor tell us about this code, youwant a code it's at the military, you want a code its in your Police Department, you want acode of silence I will give you a code of silence and they went on and on an on. That wasbig blow back and I went, you know, interesting point, right. I mean, that they that theand by the way it was a big wake up call on me, there is a phenomenon on this country ofgun violence that is almost inexplicable. No one is going to understand it. Mayors acrossthe country we, 210 mayors who are bound together to do more aggressive andprogressive and antigun legislations. San Francisco has done the most of aggressive antigun legislation in the nation and you may have seen something in the paper today on thatand I am proud of that. Is it going to solve the crime violence issue, no but the reason weare doing is we are dealing with reality and that is kids killing kids with the sameweapons or war that are being used in Iraq and I find it phenomenal. The phenomenonthat 12 to 15000 people are killed every single year in the streets of in our city ofAmerica, on our own streets where there was a real war and yet we have not focused onthat at all, yet we are all consumed appropriately with 3401 people as of yesterday dyingin US military operation - personnel dying in Iraq, where we all lament that but we arenot focused on the tens, ten plus thousands people that died just last year on our streets.So we are seeing a phenomenon in a way, its a long of saying this, their focus on the warwas damning and it's just got me thinking and this is, I am not, making this excuse butthe impact this war is having, I am convinced of this. The impact, the images, theviolence, day in and day out how its permeating, in our own minds, in our own psyches,but with our kids disproportionately. I have seen pictures that the police have given me,we have taken over 2262 weapons off the streets in the last two years, I have seen picturesof some of these weapon caches and these kids are in military uniforms would be same inAK47, emulating the war in Iraq, emulating this war and I have just thrown it out as aninteresting discussion around what has gone on in last few years. It hasn't been theeconomy, it hasn't been the arguments around abortion which is an interesting one aboutcrime phenomenon when abortion became legal in this country. It's not these usual macroreasons but to me there is something to this whole issue that, I think, needs to be exploredmore deeply, the impact the war has had in terms of the psychology of our kids in thecities across this country.Well, radio audience, I just want to remind them that they are listening to theCommonwealth Club of California Radio program and our speaker today is SanFrancisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. Let's talk sports, 49ers. They assumed to be headingsouth should that matter, and there are other cities where football teams play, the Giantsthe Jets they play in New Jersey, I mean, should it really matter.Yeah, you know, that's a legitimate point and you know, to the extent that it matters and Ithink, it does to the pride and spirit of the city. It's an intangible, I think, sports matterand and so, you know, I think this - the phenomenon that we have all experienced withthat we believe, advocacy, I mean, I like that the idea that thousands of people can cometogether with completely diverse backgrounds and they could sit there and hug us,complete stranger because they have one thing in common and that's what's happeningout on the play field. I think that's a rather remarkable thing in society today we needmore of that. So I don't discount the phenomenon on sports in terms of buildingcommunity and anchoring people to a common focus and common set of goals andexpectations and interest. But we can sell our soul, so I mean, I love all the economicarguments for 10 games a year. Give me a break, I mean, you know any one in SantaClara that believes that, you know, the football stadiums are not economic stimulus, theydid not create any economic stimulus, baseball stadiums arguably do. Very differentsports, so when we talk about keeping the 49ers we are not going to do at all costs. Weare not going to write a 160 or $180 million check, I never look you in the eye and saythat's a good investment.Was that the really the issue there when the talks broke down, was it money?No, it was the current plan that they did not like from a fan experience perspective. Theydidn't like and I understood it having a parking garage and that was by the way manyparking garages. Wasn't one parking garage but that had a capacity of 15000 vehicles thatwas a legitimate argument towards dumping out all those cars once the game concludesand moving people out from the fan experience it was about the construction and thedensity of the current plan and so they decided to look elsewhere but we have a new planand yesterday it passed nine to two at the board of supervisors, an extraordinary thing, anextraordinary, Scott, thing. You want to talk about effectiveness in government. This wasan effective strategy that supervisor Peskin deserves tremendous credit, supervisorMaxwell deserves enormous credits for working with our team to pass something in fourand half months that arguably I thought would take four and a half to five years and thatwas a conceptual plan to completely redevelop the South East sector of San Francisco todevelop 8500 housing units with a substantial percentage affordable. 300 acres of openspace, millions of square feet of commercial space in green technology and life sciencesand bio tech andBut the 49ers aren't particularly interested in that.Doesn't matter, we are going t go forward and develop this site with or without the 49ers.We have given them a 22 acre pad to start and if they want to come, they can come. Wehave set the table for the 49ers. They have got 19000 spaces all surface parking lot we canconvert the surface parking lot into ball fields to substantially increase the number ofsoccer fields and softballs fields and baseball diamonds in our city. Its dual use turf, wehave integrated the stadium to a master plan that is, would be the envy of other cities.There is, it is conceivable Scott, this is what a big deal this is. That by the summer of2009 the city will be developing over 15000 housing units in the Bayview-Hunters Pointregion in Treasure Island. Treasure Island alone is 6000 housing units 1800 of them areaffordable, the most sustainable greenest development in the United States of America.Something we should all be very enthusiastic about and very proud of that that projectcould be happening at the exact same time as this Hunter point project is happening. Noone could have convinced me again looking back just three years ago that we could bedoing it in just a few years. It's another reason I want to be here to make sure we fulfillour commitments to the people of the south east sector in the Bayview-Hunters Pointplan. By the way, jobs components, rebuilding public housing. The Alice Griffith site,more affordable housing, homeowner shift opportunities, more open space, bridging theissues of the old industrial past and the pollutants for middle Bayview-Hunters Pointpower plant in dealing with the environmental and justice issues. All of these things ispart of this master plan and I just couldn't be more pleased. Yesterday was a great day inSan Francisco and from my perspective as a San Franciscan getting this over the hurdleand it came at the same day the 49ers, they had to punt down there to put off a decisionon the ballot and so hope now you all paid some attention.Speaking of paying attention the analysis after, when they announced they were goingdown the Santa Clara was that you hadn't been paying attention, paying attention to him -I appreciate these questions. That's just utterly untrue.I mean, this is what they said.Now this is what this is what their PR person said and this is what one reporter wroteabout the - yeah, well. And it - and it and it was very unfortunate, and that wascompletely untrue and everybody that knew the facts knew otherwise, and they statedthose facts ad nauseam. So it's just utterly untrue, there wasn't a week that went by andliterally we had a standing meeting every week.Was there a misunderstanding of some kind.MaybeI mean, because you were surprised.We had a standing committee every single week in my office with Michael Cowan andJesse Blout, my Head of the Economic Development Office. I met with John York dozen,two dozen times. And there were hundreds of and there were hundreds of meetings andcommunications. Those are reasons Scott that Lennar spent millions of dollars on thecurrent proposal. It was because they thought we had a deal. There is a reason that wemove forward the Olympic bid because we thought we had a deal. We had just donefocus groups with the 49ers to show how you can roll this out in order to get publicsupport, weeks before the announcement. We were down making the presentation, theexact same night, John York called me, we were making a presentation the USOC, theOlympic Committee about our Olympic Plans because we thought we had a deal.Everyone, not just me everyone associated would have thought we had a deal. So whatthey did is try to spin it and it was very misleading and very unfortunate now. But the factis we were very engaged and we are very engaged and we are going to see what we can do.We changed sports, baseball. Giants don't pretty well this year, Barry Bonds is closing inon Hank Aaron's record, about eleven - ten home runs away. What's an appropriate wayto mark that? If you, I am going to let others judge that. I think, it's a phenomenon towatch a 42 year old I am 39, and I can't even you now, I can't even run right now,because I got a bad hip. A 42-year-old stealing bases, a 42-year-old that's batting 300, a42-year-old that has hit as many home runs as he hit in his prime when apparently he wasdoing certain things that may have been inappropriate. He's a phenomenon to watch. Idon't think, you know, I think sports should be put in perspective. Again it's aboutbuilding community sense of pride and enjoyment, but it's a game it's a game, its notlife, it's game. It's for fun, it's for enjoyment.Well it's big business too?It's a business exactly. And to the extent that that people are the critic of Barry Bondshave every right but, you know, lot of people go out and watch them and a lot of, and I'llbe out there and hopefully when he breaks that record here, AT&T and I think, he will be,you know, and obviously its an asterisk, but I am I am enjoying watching them and Ithink even people hate them. Like I know people who hate them, love watching them,that love booing them and that's part of the expand experience as well. We love to hate,politicians and athletes and its, its okay.And umpires.That's right.