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deeliciousplum
Posted: 10.20.11, 06:10 AM
Hi all , I highly recommend this talk. Christopher at his most meaningful and best. Thank you for sharing this.
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Lyle Ridings
Posted: 08.25.11, 12:06 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by Balasa4Christ I do not appreciate some of the comments that Hitchens make about Christianity. One point that I am most aggravated by is his comments on what heaven is like. If you are going to speak with authority on an issue know what are talking about before you make claims about it. I am fine with disagreements to Christianity. I am fine with insults towards it, but do not make uneducated statements about Christianity. Also it hurts his credibility to do such. I myself do not make claims about Evolution and how wrong it is .I do not know enough to make an educated claim on it so I remain quiet in my disagreements with evolution. His 'authority' is certainly at least as valid as that found in the book of Fairy Tales - the bible.
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Lyle Ridings
Posted: 08.25.11, 12:04 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by Balasa4Christ I wonder by what measure does Hitchens measure what is good and evil? Common sense.
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Lyle Ridings
Posted: 08.25.11, 11:58 AM
His knowledge and criticism of the undeniable brutality and savagery in the bible is more than sufficient for me.
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martijaa
Posted: 08.24.11, 08:14 AM
Dear Mr. Hitchens, You are, in my opinion, speaking on religion and going on a serious subject. Questions arisen, like; is religion absolute? If yes, how to explain the different religions, their disunity and also their(baddoings)history. If religion in not absolute they can logically by relatively good or relatively bad. Since we define the absolute as Divine the question is to understand how/if the Divine can by found in religion. We can't speak on the subject without including Man and Woman. Are they absolute? What is the part in them who is absolute? Since some people are through "religio" sensitive in the true sense(some times without congregation). I define myself religious and are member of a religious organisation but I always have to feel good and identify myself with whatever subject I am facing. For my IMHO the most untrustworthy people are those who have an all around knowledge. The most dangerous are the ignorant one. But one in all do I think that good, human and nature loving religion (no dogma) must by promoted. All Best to you Hitchens, alex
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theknopfknows
Posted: 08.20.11, 06:55 PM
Thank you two things karl marx contributed to history is separation of church and state::::and equality for women. Think about it!
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Balasa4Christ
Posted: 07.09.11, 11:27 AM
I wonder by what measure does Hitchens measure what is good and evil?
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Balasa4Christ
Posted: 07.09.11, 11:17 AM
I do not appreciate some of the comments that Hitchens make about Christianity. One point that I am most aggravated by is his comments on what heaven is like. If you are going to speak with authority on an issue know what are talking about before you make claims about it. I am fine with disagreements to Christianity. I am fine with insults towards it, but do not make uneducated statements about Christianity. Also it hurts his credibility to do such. I myself do not make claims about Evolution and how wrong it is .I do not know enough to make an educated claim on it so I remain quiet in my disagreements with evolution.
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SalSanMar3
Posted: 08.31.10, 07:34 AM
People need to take time to think these questions through. Hitchens is great as always.
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Periergeia
Posted: 06.20.10, 09:00 PM
Dimitry76: Your argument totally misses the point. Hitchens does not suggest even once to replicate or somehow implement the Athenian state down to the last word and custom... why would he? The Athenian state failed miserably, and not just because of its military weakness. Instead, he criticizes the people who do suggest that we should indeed live by every single word of some favorite religious text of theirs (which usually is not even the bible but some home brew interpretation of poorly translated versions of the bible). Well, his criticism goes even further than that... he proves beyond any doubt that those who call for such a world haven't even read and understood the book they like to refer to so universally. If you think about it, it's all fairly trivial. Monotheistic religions derive authority from the notion that there is one supreme being who set things in stone. He might not be around much, but his word is. And because of the total supremacy of that being and his word, everything that was written in his name in the past has to be taken literally, no matter how nonsensical. OK... wait... let's not take it literally, if it is too nonsensical. Let's "interpret". But then, whose interpretation is it, anyway? That of an established religious class? That of learned theologians? The interpretation of every single one of us, even if we can't read the actual documents that were left by the supreme being because we haven't learned any of the ancient languages they were written in? And should we trust the interpretations of people who have been dead for a thousand years more than those that were published yesterday? Which one is it? Or is it all of the above? And how many angels can dance on the tip of a needle, not that it matters, but since someone asked the question a long time ago, mustn't it be somehow true? etc. etc. You see the problem here? What rational people are saying is this: forget about all of that. Try to think in human scales. What makes life better for the most of us without making life any worse for anyone? That's what humanism is all about. Finding ways to slowly grow based on real experience that applies to the problems at hand rather than some fossilized ancient nonsense that didn't work well back then, either. And therefor we are allowed to take the notion of democracy, invented, or not, by the Greek, and say, hey, that works pretty well. Everybody has a say on some level and maybe that makes life a little better. At the same time we can trivially reject the idea of forcing ten year old boys (and girls) into non-consensual sexual relationships and we lose absolutely nothing of the basic foundations of our humanist position. In comparison, giving our slaves one day of the week off for religious purposes does not look particularly attractive... now does it? And how else do you want to interpret that particular commandment? God didn't say that you shall have no slaves in there. He merely said that you shall give them a day off... Religions which are following the monotheist pattern suffer from their historical roots coupled with their absolutist standpoint. The resulting theological and philosophical problems can only be fixed if one gives up at least one, the history or the absolutism. But then, why not give up both and declare that man can learn from his mistakes and build a better future based on what has been learned in brutal lessons in the past? It is really that easy.
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