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Turkey's EU Path

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tony nina Avatar
tony nina
Posts: 1
Posted: 11.05.07, 09:20 PM
Both speakers seem to want the same conclution - Turkey's sucession into the EU. 3 common reasons given by Dr. Soner Cagaptay for Europeans opposition to Turkey's acceptance into the EU were 1) Turkey's size 2)Turkey not part of geographical Europe 3) Turkey as too poor. I would like to add to those reasons and thus challenge Dr. Soner Cagaptay. Turkey is projected in 20 years to have a larger population then Germany. Dr. Capaptay says why are people not worried about Germany's population. The EU is a project pushed by France and Germany. Turkey's size would threaten their influence and power in the EU parliament. I suppose it would be wise for original EU members to oppose a large member. Secondly, Dr. Capatgay says Cyprus and Malta are not 'in' Europe. Cyrus has long established ties to Greece, Creek civilization and culture the basis for it being considered European. The same logic behind this applied to Malta, and its ties to Italy. If Iceland were ever to seek EU membership it could claim cultural and hereditary links to Scandinavia. Thirdly, EU seems to be regretting admitting Bulgaria and Romania. Turkey is a large and poor country with unstable and even poorer neighbours. Absorbing a small and poor state like Romania and Bulgria causes less headaches then admitting Turkey. Lastly, The issue of Turkey being largely muslim is mentioned. Should the EU admit a predominantly muslims country to be polite? to dismiss a clash of civilization?
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tony nina
Posts: 1
Posted: 11.05.07, 09:21 PM
Admitting Turkey, to be polite?
Both speakers seem to want the same conclution - Turkey's sucession into the EU. 3 common reasons given by Dr. Soner Cagaptay for Europeans opposition to Turkey's acceptance into the EU were 1) Turkey's size 2)Turkey not part of geographical Europe 3) Turkey as too poor. I would like to add to those reasons and thus challenge Dr. Soner Cagaptay. Turkey is projected in 20 years to have a larger population then Germany. Dr. Capaptay says why are people not worried about Germany's population. The EU is a project pushed by France and Germany. Turkey's size would threaten their influence and power in the EU parliament. I suppose it would be wise for original EU members to oppose a large member. Secondly, Dr. Capatgay says Cyprus and Malta are not 'in' Europe. Cyrus has long established ties to Greece, Creek civilization and culture the basis for it being considered European. The same logic behind this applied to Malta, and its ties to Italy. If Iceland were ever to seek EU membership it could claim cultural and hereditary links to Scandinavia. Thirdly, EU seems to be regretting admitting Bulgaria and Romania. Turkey is a large and poor country with unstable and even poorer neighbours. Absorbing a small and poor state like Romania and Bulgria causes less headaches then admitting Turkey. Lastly, The issue of Turkey being largely muslim is mentioned. Should the EU admit a predominantly muslims country to be polite? to dismiss a clash of civilization?
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A proud KURD not a turk Avatar
A proud KURD not a turk
Posts: 2
Posted: 10.15.08, 02:08 PM
doctor so called refers to turkey and says turks think that and ask that,turkey isn't 80% turkish,there are millions of other ethinic groupos.

regarding humanrights turkey is a proper meadile east, don't belive this man's pro turkish language as he himself says he is.

he refers to pkk and kurdish issue as different, well pkk objects are very clear, free kurdish state eduacation, identity rights for kurds ,cultural rioghts which turkey is still not recognising.Turkey by no means a free ,democratic,and respecting human right country.Infact it is a fascist state which has denied and still deny the identity and culture of an estimated more than 20 million people.I know many kurds in turkey who can't speak kurdish properly because it has been illigal to speak kurdish untill 2002 which changed turkish fascist states's regimes policy.

Eu should pressure turkey for a full recognition of all ethinic minorities's culture,language and identity before even considdering memebership of turkey.turkey must change its fascist laws and structure which has being build on a kemalist cult.it is still illigal critisice ataturk .

At the moment there is no room for turkey in europe in my view and i think the majority of liberal and human right organisations.
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A proud KURD not a turk
Posts: 2
Posted: 10.15.08, 02:09 PM
no turkish fascist state in EU
doctor so called refers to turkey and says turks think that and ask that,turkey isn't 80% turkish,there are millions of other ethinic groupos.

regarding humanrights turkey is a proper meadile east, don't belive this man's pro turkish language as he himself says he is.

he refers to pkk and kurdish issue as different, well pkk objects are very clear, free kurdish state eduacation, identity rights for kurds ,cultural rioghts which turkey is still not recognising.Turkey by no means a free ,democratic,and respecting human right country.Infact it is a fascist state which has denied and still deny the identity and culture of an estimated more than 20 million people.I know many kurds in turkey who can't speak kurdish properly because it has been illigal to speak kurdish untill 2002 which changed turkish fascist states's regimes policy.

Eu should pressure turkey for a full recognition of all ethinic minorities's culture,language and identity before even considdering memebership of turkey.turkey must change its fascist laws and structure which has being build on a kemalist cult.it is still illigal critisice ataturk .

At the moment there is no room for turkey in europe in my view and i think the majority of liberal and human right organisations.
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anthonyl
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Posted: 10.18.09, 01:29 AM
to tony nina...if you'd like to afford iceland the european connection via scandinavia and cyprus's ties to greece, why do you conveniently forget the turkish ties to europe via the byzantine and (later) ottoman empire?
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